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Equifax removed the $125 claim payout option after millions submitted claims

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Re: Equifax removed the $125 claim payout option after millions submitted claims

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That is not correct. A small balance raises your score more than a zero balance. But you want to keep it under a third.

This is an oft passed around urban legend, but it's not true. You can try for yourself by opening up a free CreditKarma account and seeing what happens if you zero out all your balances.

I'd take that with an entire shaker of salt; you are assuming CreditKarma knows the FICO formulas. Even the prediction engines used by the actual credit bureaus are notoriously unreliable at telling you what will happen given a particular change in inputs. Probably not accidental, they don't want to expose the algorithm.

Re: Equifax removed the $125 claim payout option after millions submitted claims

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"Identity theft" just means that a bank or other creditor failed to authenticate the identity of someone they incorrectly gave money to. Why on Earth should I insure against that?

Because we live in a less than ideal world, and you'll have to go through the trouble regardless of how right or wrong it is.

Sure, it might be a pain, but there’s no way I’m going to end up liable for their mistake, so I guess I don’t see the point in insuring that.

Re: Equifax removed the $125 claim payout option after millions submitted claims

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> Yes, if you want to borrow money, the person loaning you money is generally going to insist that you opt into the system that helps them understand if you are a good credit risk or not. That's not really what they care about. They don't even get to choose whether you previously borrowed money only from people who agreed not to report anything to Equifax et al. What they really want is to be able to inform on you to…

Existing land owners, home builders, and mortgage lenders are most certainly not better off if people only buy houses with cash. I also think that whatever the lowest rung on the economic ladder who could plausibly buy property may also be made less well off by shutting them out of the housing ownership market entirely.

> Existing land owners, home builders, and mortgage lenders are most certainly not better off if people only buy houses with cash.

The existing land owners are probably the biggest real opposition now, though they wouldn't be any worse off if we had done the right thing to begin with, because then they'd have paid less from the start too. It could be worth a one-time cost of paying them off in some way.

It's debatable whether the home builders would actually be worse off, because most of what people are really bidding up is the land, since construction has a lot more supply elasticity than land. They may even get more work in the long term as people aren't paying loan interest as much, so they ultimately end up with more money that can be used for home improvement projects.

And I don't think people have a lot of sympathy for the plight of the mortgage lenders.

> I also think that whatever the lowest rung on the economic ladder who could plausibly buy property may also be made less well off by shutting them out of the housing ownership market entirely.

Why would it do that? There would still be the same amount of land, so approximately the same people would have it. If it costs less by the same amount as the credit which is no longer available, the main difference is the interest you're no longer paying to the bank. If anything that should benefit people at the bottom of the ladder, who would have had to take loans with higher than average interest rates.

Re: Equifax removed the $125 claim payout option after millions submitted claims

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Saying "I'm not going to loan you money if I can't be sure you'll pay it back" is not extortion.

They are saying “ nobody is going to loan you money if you don’t play our games”. There is no other party you can go to if you don’t like their behavior. A loan is shared risk. If it wasn’t there should be no interest payments above inflation and labor. Where is the line for invasiveness? I mean, if I knew a couple was having issues and they were in counseling, but they didn’t start until eight years in, that’s a bad…

>They are saying “nobody is going to loan you money if you don’t play our games”.

Completely untrue. But if you want good loan terms, yes you will need to participate in the system of sharing credit terms, because reputable banks don't want to deal with bad debt.

Re: Equifax removed the $125 claim payout option after millions submitted claims

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Surely the FTC and Equifax saw this coming? 150m people were included in the breach. Only 31m USD was allocated to give anyone who claimed 125 USD? How on earth did they do this math?

150 million * 120 = eighteen billion... or about 6x their yearly revenue. would've put a dent in their wallet and hopefully caused them to go bankrupt.

>would've put a dent in their wallet and hopefully caused them to go bankrupt.

IOW, good luck getting any money from them?

Re: Equifax removed the $125 claim payout option after millions submitted claims

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Saying "I'm not going to loan you money if I can't be sure you'll pay it back" is not extortion.

They are saying “ nobody is going to loan you money if you don’t play our games”. There is no other party you can go to if you don’t like their behavior. A loan is shared risk. If it wasn’t there should be no interest payments above inflation and labor. Where is the line for invasiveness? I mean, if I knew a couple was having issues and they were in counseling, but they didn’t start until eight years in, that’s a bad…

That's not strictly true. You just can't get reasonable terms unless you participate.

Credit used to be much, much harder to get, and more expensive. You got loans from friends. You shopped at a particular store for years and built up your reputation before they would offer you credit. You pawned something. Or you just saved your money and paid cash.

Re: Equifax removed the $125 claim payout option after millions submitted claims

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They check all kinds of things, not just credit. Criminal record, job history, salary history, education, etc. How much of that should a prospective employer be "allowed" to check before deciding to hire you? Or a renter check before letting you live in their house? In both cases, they are taking on real risk. How else can they reduce that risk, without doing checks?

That’s beside the point of my post, which was to counter the claim that essentially stated, “you are only opted in to credit bureau tracking because you made the choice to take advantage of a product that is not essential in life”

But the requirement for the credit check is from the bank, renter, employer, etc. They aren't being forced to do that, other than the economics of risk.

Re: Equifax removed the $125 claim payout option after millions submitted claims

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This underlines how small the settlement actually was in comparison to the actual economic damage people experienced. Normally nobody shows up to make these claims because they don't actually feel significantly personally affected.

Or it shows that people will actually show up for $125, but not for $5 or lower numbers that are more common.

Re: Equifax removed the $125 claim payout option after millions submitted claims

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Are you saying that you should be able to borrow someone else's money, even when they deem you risky? Credit score is a proxy for a lender to determine your credit worthiness. You don't need one if you don't plan to take on credit.

I'm saying there is a difference between lending/borrowing money and a perversion of the Surveillance State. They current "credit tracking" systen has massive over-reach. So much so that if there's a breach/hack thousands if not millions are subjected to those mistakes. __And__ we have no choice but to say "Thank you sir. Can I have another?" We have __zero__ alternatives. Normalized or not, that's unacceptable. Ther…

> They current "credit tracking" systen has massive over-reach. So much so that if there's a breach/hack thousands if not millions are subjected to those mistakes.

Why are you singling out "credit tracking" here? There have been other, much worse breaches from companies unrelated to the credit industry. Where's the $125 from Marriot? Or Yahoo!?

Re: Equifax removed the $125 claim payout option after millions submitted claims

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This is not "default opt-in", like having the "Subscribe to our email newsletter" checked on an online order form. The sharing of credit worthiness information is the cornerstone of your ability to get credit. It's not a hidden extra, it's not something you can choose not to get, there's no "opt out". It's a condition of doing business with the credit grantor. It's like opting out of having a driver's license. If you…

Credit checks are often required in job applications and almost always when renting a home; it’s not like you can opt out of those.

i have been renting in several countries, including the US and i have never been asked for a credit check, i have never seen or heard about that for jobs either. why would a job need a credit check? all i care is that you can do the work.
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