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#101

The Norwegian success is the single biggest piece of evidence as to why the Venezuelan catastrophe was largely avoidable, and the fault of irresponsible leadership.

Precisely, Irresponsible leadership. Not the fault of any one ideology, like some would have you believe.

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#102

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Except every other oil dominated country - e.g. Iraq, Libya, half of Africa is more like Venezuela (worse even), than Norway. The oil curse is very real and, for Venezuela, largely unavoidable.

Norway is about 20% of it's GDP from Oil/Gas, Iraq is above 90%. I think that is also an explaination

its GDP

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#103

The Norwegian success is the single biggest piece of evidence as to why the Venezuelan catastrophe was largely avoidable, and the fault of irresponsible leadership.

One piece of history that I think marks the start of Venezuela's free fall, it's the pardon that the then-president Caldera granted to the leader of a military coup, Chávez. That allowed populism and corruption to reign in the country (he won the next elections).

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Their income tax is 22% if I'm not mistaken.

Sales tax is 25% (lower on food + public transport). Income tax is close to 50% for most of people (progressive), in addition there is a 14% tax per employee that the companies have to pay. If you take out dividend there is a 25% tax that don't earn you pension.

Average income tax (as taken from your paycheck), seems to be around 30% - it’s lower than many other north west European countries

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#105
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Wow! These people must be extraordinary to use oil money this way! Not kidding! Never been in Norway, but in countries I have ever been this would be barely possible due to corruption and the needs of the politician’s buddies. Like yachts, private jets, Bentleys and Vertu phones. This $186k/person isn’t far from what average German poses: https://www.bundesbank.de/resource/blob/617492/cd59713c156ad...

Norway was lucky to be a very developed society before oil was discovered. In most countries oil is a curse

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Re: Norweigan oil fund

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Wow! These people must be extraordinary to use oil money this way! Not kidding! Never been in Norway, but in countries I have ever been this would be barely possible due to corruption and the needs of the politician’s buddies. Like yachts, private jets, Bentleys and Vertu phones. This $186k/person isn’t far from what average German poses: https://www.bundesbank.de/resource/blob/617492/cd59713c156ad...

There's a newer study from 2017, where the average is 232.800€, but the median is 70.800€ net. I'm not sure what net/gross is supposed to mean in this context.

The big difference between the two suggest an unequal distribution of wealth.

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#107

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Except every other oil dominated country - e.g. Iraq, Libya, half of Africa is more like Venezuela (worse even), than Norway. The oil curse is very real and, for Venezuela, largely unavoidable.

Norway is about 20% of it's GDP from Oil/Gas, Iraq is above 90%. I think that is also an explaination

That’s hardly surprising for anyone having been there.

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#108

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But what to say about Americans, who squandered natural resources to help the rich, and now the funding to their own social security is en route to insolvency?

It would be easy to make social security solvent far into the future. There's no shortage of resources to do it, just lack of political will. One step would be to move it away from an insurance model and raise the cap on contributions. Another would be to modestly increase the contribution rates.

If they do raise the cap on contributions people should have the option of either paying more in to social security or paying more into an uncapped IRA or 401(k).

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#109

The Norwegian success is the single biggest piece of evidence as to why the Venezuelan catastrophe was largely avoidable, and the fault of irresponsible leadership.

Is anybody claiming otherwise? It seems pretty obvious that someone there messed up majorly for a long time.

There are people who for ideological reasons blame all of Venezuela's woes on external factors. Then again, there are some for ideological reasons who claim external factors haven't made things worse than the terrible leadership has made it. Not sure of the ratio of blame that should go to internal leadership versus external factors but it does seem like poor leadership has made it easier for external forces to worsen the situation.

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The fund started with oil money, but now focuses new investments on renewable energy sources: https://www.wsj.com/articles/norways-sovereign-wealth-fund-b...

Yes, but it's based on oil, which is contributing to climate change..and not 100% is not used for renewable energy, so it's a net negative. It's strange to me that people aren't protesting and complaining about this fund, when it's a big issue for future.

So because Norway is a bastion of liberal policies, they get a free pass when it comes to climate change?

This is why I know it has nothing to do with science or actually solving the problem.

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