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Re: Norweigan oil fund

#91

Considering this is explicitly stated to be for welfare, it would be really interesting to see a major UBI experiment. If the fund doesn't grow there's 186k 4 per person could be 12k/yr for over 15 years.

15 years is not UBI. If you can’t rely on it being around for the rest of your life it would be insane to leave your career to live on UBI.

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Re: Norweigan oil fund

#92

> On average, the fund holds 1.4 percent of all of the world’s listed companies. Why fund businesses in other countires? Shouldn't Norway try to set up some more industries at home? Everyone claim Europe (was: EU) needs more VC funding to stop the brain drain. Well, here is a huge pool of money just waiting to be spent

Norway doesn’t have the spare capacity to build more industries. Putting money into the Norwegian economy would just drive inflation.

Re: Norweigan oil fund

#93
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A friend lives in Oslo, sometimes I visit, it shock me the amount of electric vehicles, in one single street all cars parked were Tesla(not the posh area). The city have so much nature, is even hard to explain.

Along with being more eco minded, electric cars are actually more affordable in Norway, there is a significant tax placed on other vehicles.

https://elbil.no/english/norwegian-ev-policy/

Re: Norweigan oil fund

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Assuming that a fund like that grows ~10% per year or so, each norwegian makes a bonus of 19230.7 just by existing. That is enough for a family to live in the european south. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_Pension_Fund_of_Nor...

"Since 1998 the fund has generated an annual return of 5.8 percent, or 4,404 billion kroner."

Still, for a family of 4 that's ~ 45.000$ of free money. If southern european countries were smart , they would give incentives to norwegians to move there and have a permanent vacation in the sun.

Re: Norweigan oil fund

#95
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Isn't this contributing to climate change? The economy everyone uses as an example to replace the current system in the US...

The fund started with oil money, but now focuses new investments on renewable energy sources: https://www.wsj.com/articles/norways-sovereign-wealth-fund-b...

Yes, but it's based on oil, which is contributing to climate change..and not 100% is not used for renewable energy, so it's a net negative.

It's strange to me that people aren't protesting and complaining about this fund, when it's a big issue for future.

Re: Norweigan oil fund

#96
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Yes those social Norwegian's invested; and the UK gave there north sea oil revenues to all the oligarchs

Of course the UK has a far larger population, so it would be worth far less per capita. It's sobering to remember that Norway started this fund only in 1990. The UK mooted but cabinet ultimately rejected a North Sea Oil fund on similar lines in 1975. It was suggested by Tony Benn while he was Energy Minister. All that did materialise was the British National Oil Corporation (later Britoil having been privatised by Thatcher, now BP) as operator.

What a waste.

Re: Norweigan oil fund

#97
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Some points of comparison. - CalPERS[1] has about $360 billion in assets under management. - The US Social Security Trust fund (which, depending on your POV you might count as an accounting fiction) is about $2.9 trillion. - Vanguard has about $5.3 trillion in AUM. 1. California Public Employees' Retirement System

How many employees does this cover? California has almost 40 million people. Norway has about 5.3 million.

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#98

The Norwegian success is the single biggest piece of evidence as to why the Venezuelan catastrophe was largely avoidable, and the fault of irresponsible leadership.

Norway is an exception. A mix of corruption and foreign intervention that supports corruption is the root cause for countries like Venezuela.

Re: Norweigan oil fund

#99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps this is why they can afford many government programs that the US simply cannot. Without a prolific income stream comparable to Norwegian oil, the only way to provide more social services is to tax individuals and businesses harder. Tax any group too heavily and you create brain drain, which hurts in the long run.

Norwegian software developer here. I pay my taxes with pleasure, knowing that the money supported my education, my ability to go to the hospital, good roads, good airports, and lots of other public functions that are great because we collectively invest in them. I think anything below 20% in taxes simply means a country's public functions will suffer. It's weird to me that Americans have so much against taxes. If a c…

I believe that the problem in most countries is that rich people have successfully brainwashed the population into thinking that is bad to support their own people with schools, health care, cultural programs, etc. On the other hand, they successfully brainwashed the masses into believing the socialism for the rich is necessary: for example, you will see people crying on the newspapers because the rich are paying "too much" in taxes, when in fact they never payed so little.

Re: Norweigan oil fund

#100
post #69

A friend lives in Oslo, sometimes I visit, it shock me the amount of electric vehicles, in one single street all cars parked were Tesla(not the posh area). The city have so much nature, is even hard to explain.

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