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This is a great 99% Invisible episode about how credit cards came about, and what it was like beforehand, where you would be interviewed at length by a store before being given credit to buy, for example, a piece of furniture. Credit cards were designed to outsource checking of credit-worthiness, stop intrusive interviews with stores and avoid embarrassment of being rejected in-store. Lax digital storage of informati…
Coming from Europe, it would never occur to me to buy furniture on credit, is this something common in the US ?
Equifax removed the $125 claim payout option after millions submitted claims
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Re: Equifax removed the $125 claim payout option after millions submitted claims
#342> The public response to the settlement has been overwhelming. Millions of people have visited this site in just the first week. Because the total amount available for these alternative payments is $31 million, each person who takes the money option is going to get a very small amount. Nowhere near the $125 they could have gotten if there hadn’t been such an enormous number of claims filed. [1] https://www.ftc.gov/en…
Why is the FTC actively jumping through hoops to explain how consumers are getting screwed by their own actions? Does the DOJ need to investigate the FTC? What on earth are they doing? Do they realize we can see them?
"You can still choose the cash option on the claim form, but you will be disappointed with the amount you receive and you won’t get the free credit monitoring."
This seems like something written by Equifax not the FTC.
Re: Equifax removed the $125 claim payout option after millions submitted claims
#343Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The sharing of credit worthiness information is the cornerstone of your ability to get credit. It's not a hidden extra, it's not something you can choose not to get, there's no "opt out". It's a condition of doing business with the credit grantor. No, this is only true because the law does not meaningfully restrict abusive contracts. Sure, a credit card issuer should [0] be able to ask some agency for information o…
How would 'some agency' have anything to say about your credit risk if issuers of credit weren't feeding them information about your credit performance? What's more bothersome to me is that these companies are scooping up every bit of information they can about me and selling it to anyone. Did I consent to TheWorkNumber? I definitely did not with the first few employers / payroll processors who have sold out my payro…
Your existence in the world isn't a secret. Every scrap of that is public information. You have a postal address to get mail, you register your car with your state to pay taxes on it, etc.
Re: Equifax removed the $125 claim payout option after millions submitted claims
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Being offered whether actually planning to buy on credit are different things. I'm German and would never buy furniture for which I don't have the money (exception maybe if the oven breaks and I don't have enough at hand) - but I'd never buy a sofa paying as instalments.
Culturally, Germany seems to have a strong aversion to personal debt. In the UK and Ireland, consumer behavior is very much in line with the US.
Re: Equifax removed the $125 claim payout option after millions submitted claims
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> It does not follow at all that the issuer should have permission to give information back to the agency. The agreements you sign when requesting and getting credit explicitly grant that right.
Nothing is really “explicit” when it’s buried in pages of small print legalese. If everyone just read (forget understood, just read) everything they ever signed or agreed to thoroughly, life would slow down significantly.
"Credit Reports: You agree that we have a right to obtain a credit report in connection with our review of your application and after we establish an account, to administer the account. You agree that we may report to others our credit experience with you. At your request we will provide the name and address of each consumer-reporting agency from which we obtained a report about you."
Was it plastered across the very top of the form in bold type? No. Was it "buried in pages of small print legalese"? No.
Re: Equifax removed the $125 claim payout option after millions submitted claims
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This is not "default opt-in", like having the "Subscribe to our email newsletter" checked on an online order form. The sharing of credit worthiness information is the cornerstone of your ability to get credit. It's not a hidden extra, it's not something you can choose not to get, there's no "opt out". It's a condition of doing business with the credit grantor. It's like opting out of having a driver's license. If you…
It is, in a word, extortion.
Re: Equifax removed the $125 claim payout option after millions submitted claims
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> We had no say. We certinly had no vote. Why should you? It's the credit grantors who use it. They say "when I grant credit to someone with a score of 800, I'm much less likely to lose money. If they have a score of 600, I'm far more likely to lose money." It's their money, your only say is whether you accept their terms or not.
Because clearly the borrowers are not the only ones capable of being untrustworthy and yet the trustworthiness of neither the lender nor the credit bureau is held to account in this system. And this is related to the reality that individuals are at a distinct disadvantage for being largely unorganized and unable to bargain collectively, or else they probably would blackball bad lenders and credit bureaus for a histor…
That's why we have the FTC, GBLA, FCRA and all of the regulation associated with both credit industry, CRAs, banks, etc.
Re: Equifax removed the $125 claim payout option after millions submitted claims
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Coming from Europe, it would never occur to me to buy furniture on credit, is this something common in the US ?
I'm also European, but buying furniture on credit is perfectly normal in my country - indeed, it would be quite unusual to buy any big-ticket item and not be offered credit terms, usually with an interest-free option.
People in low income communities find it very normal to buy on credit, often allowing you to buy now, pay in a year. My friends from higher income communities think this is a strange thing to do.
What I'm trying to say is that some of these customs might not depend on country, but even on groups within countries.
On a related note, I've personally noticed that here in the Netherlands, there's a pretty clear split between low income and high income, very tightly connected with education. In 'High School', lower and higher education are split in different classes and often different schools. So friendships are often formed within these groups and not across them (sports begin the exception). Because of this, a lot of people think something is normal in the Netherlands, but it's actually normal in their environment.
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Coming from Europe, it would never occur to me to buy furniture on credit, is this something common in the US ?
I had the exact same thought. Making credit easier to obtain is taken as 'good' but I only see that as beneficial for something major like a house or car but the idea of going into debt for disposable items seems really weird
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Your statement is interesting but does not constitute nor provide any substantive information that is backed by evidence. Backup your 'anecdotal' claims.
Banks and credit card issuers all pay hefty sums of money to the reporting agencies to use in underwriting their loans. They wouldn't do this if they weren't helpful in modeling risk.
This isn't necessarily true.
A counterargument is that credit scores offer banks an easy way to outsource what often ends up being a very contentious, politically-fraught process. Yet many analyses have found credit scores barely better than random dice -- the guy with the perfect credit score has a perfect credit score, until he doesn't and there is a wake of delinquency in his wake.
It's also helpful to assess real world motivations. Extraordinarily few of the employees, including at the executive level, at a bank are legitimately concerned about the long term risk to the bank. Success is measured at the quarterly interval, and if you can justify your actions on a quantifiable measure -- even if it's a measure that has little predictive value -- then that's just perfect.
The biggest indicator that someone is a credit risk is that they are maintaining or growing higher interest borrowing products, such as carrying a balance on a credit card. This is an absolute flashing light indication that someone is over-extended, yet the credit monitoring agencies would not bite the hand that feeds them by making too big of a deal about this. Indeed, gross over-borrowing is barely a blip on a credit report, because the people who lend the money ensure that it isn't. The world is absolutely awash in cheap cash and banks are desperate to lend it.
In the wake of the subprime crisis everyone said "oh yes, of course there's a problem there it was the credit agency that was just marking these all wrong", but exactly the same thing is happening on personal credit reports. Of course it is, because the credit reporting agency is there to legitimize whatever the bank wants to do.