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LightSail 2 Spacecraft Successfully Demonstrates Flight by Light

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Re: LightSail 2 Spacecraft Successfully Demonstrates Flight by Light

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Very cool! I know nothing about solar sails, but I wonder if the craft could have LEDs mounted to it so it could bombard different regions of the sail with photons to make it turn appropriately.

This kind of technology had been demonstrated many years ago and many people around the world had been watching it at the time[1].

1. https://i.imgur.com/VL0Q9hT.gif

Re: LightSail 2 Spacecraft Successfully Demonstrates Flight by Light

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Very cool! I know nothing about solar sails, but I wonder if the craft could have LEDs mounted to it so it could bombard different regions of the sail with photons to make it turn appropriately.

Not a sailor (solar or otherwise) but my instinct is you could turn by "furling" parts of the sail (say, if there were vanes that could be turned perpendicularly to the flow of photons). But lots of designs seem to call for propulsion from a laser, so maybe that could just be angled away slightly. At astronomic distances that might be tough, though.

Re: LightSail 2 Spacecraft Successfully Demonstrates Flight by Light

#13
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you emit a particle (a photon) and then catch it the net effect will be 0.

Exactly, it is much like using a fan on a boat to blow a sail.

mythbusters were able to show a weird effect where the fan on a boat thing worked - I think they chalked it up to some blown wind from the fan drawing in more than from around the fan..

https://youtu.be/uKXMTzMQWjo?t=75

Re: LightSail 2 Spacecraft Successfully Demonstrates Flight by Light

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post #2

Very cool! I know nothing about solar sails, but I wonder if the craft could have LEDs mounted to it so it could bombard different regions of the sail with photons to make it turn appropriately.

If you emit a particle (a photon) and then catch it the net effect will be 0.

Net effect is not zero if the photon bounces off of the sail

Re: LightSail 2 Spacecraft Successfully Demonstrates Flight by Light

#15
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would be like taking fan and blowing it into your own sails. It wouldn't work.

It does work though, depending on the material your sail is made of. Try it: attach an electric fan to a pinewood derby car and point it so it is blowing into a tin foil sail also attached to the pine wood derby car. The car will move forward.

I thought you want the LED mounted on the spacecraft itself.

That would be the equivalent of the fan being on the sailboat.

Yes, if you had another power boat next to the sailboat you could blow the boat, but it would be transferring some energy from the engine of the powerboat.

So if you had another spacecraft near the space sail, and that spacecraft was shooting light, it would have some miniscule effect, but I didn't think that is what you meant.

Edit: I suspect you're kidding but I can't be sure.

Re: LightSail 2 Spacecraft Successfully Demonstrates Flight by Light

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would be like taking fan and blowing it into your own sails. It wouldn't work.

It does work though, depending on the material your sail is made of. Try it: attach an electric fan to a pinewood derby car and point it so it is blowing into a tin foil sail also attached to the pine wood derby car. The car will move forward.

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Re: LightSail 2 Spacecraft Successfully Demonstrates Flight by Light

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would be like taking fan and blowing it into your own sails. It wouldn't work.

It does work though, depending on the material your sail is made of. Try it: attach an electric fan to a pinewood derby car and point it so it is blowing into a tin foil sail also attached to the pine wood derby car. The car will move forward.

It only works because the fan pushes against something not directly connected to the car. This is the same reason you can't use a jet engine in space.

Re: LightSail 2 Spacecraft Successfully Demonstrates Flight by Light

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's like trying to propel your sailboat by holding up an electric fan.

I mean, it's only the size of a boxing ring, not a football field. I think LEDs could produce enough light to have a net effect.

I don't know if the strength of an LED is enough to move the craft significantly, but if it is you'd need to point it at anything _but_ the ship itself, otherwise the two forces would cancel out. Just shine it in the opposite direction of where you want to go.

Re: LightSail 2 Spacecraft Successfully Demonstrates Flight by Light

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post #2

Very cool! I know nothing about solar sails, but I wonder if the craft could have LEDs mounted to it so it could bombard different regions of the sail with photons to make it turn appropriately.

If you emit a particle (a photon) and then catch it the net effect will be 0.

But if your emitter emits in every direction (like a lightbulb) and you only catch the ones going in one direction in the sail, you'd propel yourself in that direction.

So having a directional lightsource fire into the sail wouldn't work, but having one that emits light in every direction on one side of the sail would.

Re: LightSail 2 Spacecraft Successfully Demonstrates Flight by Light

#20

Why deorbit it though? Why not try for an EM-Lagrange point?

They are in a low earth orbit and there is still considerable atmospheric drag in the region. This causes the satellite to deorbit.

This was a technology demonstrator and it has completed its mission successfully. It simply wasn't launched to an orbit where it can do more (Cubesats hitch rides on rockets launching larger, expensive payloads)

NASA does have a mission intended to navigate quite a bit more using a solar sailing cubesat.

https://www.nasa.gov/content/nea-scout

I'm not sure to what extent the mission will rely on the solar sail though.

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