AMD struck gold with TSMC right?
I don't know about struck gold -- they were the only game in town with a 7nm node available.
TSMC Talks 7nm, 5nm, Yield, and Next-Gen 5G and HPC Packaging
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#12I hate when acronyms prevent people from understanding important parts of an article. Here you go. TSMC = "Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company, Limited, also known as Taiwan Semiconductor, is the world's largest dedicated independent semiconductor foundry" (from Wikipedia).
TSMC is TSMC, just as AMD is AMD. It’s the most commonly used name of the company.
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yeah but how many nm are left? There's a phsyical limit to transistor size!
7 -> 7+/P -> 5 -> 5+/P -> 3 are all in the works already and that's just TMSC
Those aren’t forgone conclusions. That’s just guesswork on a whiteboard roadmap. At 10nm we are already at a stage where quantum effects start to dominate, and it’s not clear how much further these classical effects can scale. 7nm was “a process too far” for Intel, and it is a bit of a miracle that TSMC managed to pull it off.
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#14This has me really excited for the future. One question I have now is how this compares to Intel’s roadmap. I’ve read comparisons like “TSMC 7nm is equivalent to Intel 10nm” but never seen any further discussion that goes deeper into how that’s true.
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#15AMD struck gold with TSMC right?
I don't know about struck gold -- they were the only game in town with a 7nm node available.
AMD has to choose a process years before that process goes into production, so there's a lot of risk that production could get delayed or yields could be poor. AMD could choose TSMC then discover later that Samsung would have been better.
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#16This has me really excited for the future. One question I have now is how this compares to Intel’s roadmap. I’ve read comparisons like “TSMC 7nm is equivalent to Intel 10nm” but never seen any further discussion that goes deeper into how that’s true.
From the same site: https://fuse.wikichip.org/news/2408/tsmc-7nm-hd-and-hp-cells... Scroll down near the bottom.
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7 -> 7+/P -> 5 -> 5+/P -> 3 are all in the works already and that's just TMSC
Those aren’t forgone conclusions. That’s just guesswork on a whiteboard roadmap. At 10nm we are already at a stage where quantum effects start to dominate, and it’s not clear how much further these classical effects can scale. 7nm was “a process too far” for Intel, and it is a bit of a miracle that TSMC managed to pull it off.
5nm isn't just on a whiteboard, it's in risk production already at TSMC. Volume production is slated for Q1 2020, less than a year away, and TSMC tend to be accurate with their estimates.
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Yes, although there was an element of luck that Intel 10 nm failed at the same time that TSMC 7 nm came out smoothly. The opposite situation happened back at 32 nm and could happen again.
yeah but how many nm are left? There's a phsyical limit to transistor size!
> There's a phsyical limit to transistor size!
The size of transistors themselves were not changing much during last few node transition, what shrunk was the space and wiring in between of them.
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I don't know about struck gold -- they were the only game in town with a 7nm node available.
AMD has to choose a process years before that process goes into production, so there's a lot of risk that production could get delayed or yields could be poor. AMD could choose TSMC then discover later that Samsung would have been better.
btw, what happened to GF ?
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7 -> 7+/P -> 5 -> 5+/P -> 3 are all in the works already and that's just TMSC
Those aren’t forgone conclusions. That’s just guesswork on a whiteboard roadmap. At 10nm we are already at a stage where quantum effects start to dominate, and it’s not clear how much further these classical effects can scale. 7nm was “a process too far” for Intel, and it is a bit of a miracle that TSMC managed to pull it off.
I think an important difference is that EUV exists now.