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US could ban 'addictive' autoplay videos and infinite scrolling online

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Re: US could ban 'addictive' autoplay videos and infinite scrolling online

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Search "social media mental health study". Theres a flood of universities that have pretty good evidence of social media causing a lot of mental health issues. Namely towards teens and young adults who grew up with it. Yes, it does seem silly, but the rise of anxiety and depression in society is linked to social media. Theres a good reason why people do the social media fasts and cleanses. A lot don't go back.

That's not because of infinite scrolling and autoplay.

Yes it is. Infinite scrolling triggers a dopamine response in users, keeping them wanting more. Its sole purpose is to keep you engaged in the app.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/automatic-you/201208...

Re: US could ban 'addictive' autoplay videos and infinite scrolling online

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I don't like sites with autoplay. I only expect autoplay when the page I am about to visit is in a video site like YouTube. I hate it when I am reading a news article and a video autoplays. Autoscrolling also can be irritating. If I click a TechCrunch article on HN, I don't want TC to load more articles at the end of the article I was reading without my consent. It is better to suggest related articles and give me an…

I don't want YT to autoplay either, and you used to be able to make it not autoplay in the settings, but that was too useful I guess.

A blanket banning of autoplay will be the only solution then. While at it, they must ban autoplaying of suggested videos. Autoplaying of suggested videos is the video site equivalent of autoscrolling.

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Tell that to a person in bed, scrolling through Facebook for hours on end. If the content stopped at some point they would do something else hopefully. Compared to TV the pacing is such that people get hooked like on slot machines.

I highly doubt that showing something like "There are X new great posts from blah blah blah, check them out" instead of using infinite scroll will resolve the problem. At the end of the day one could simply load a million posts (probably needs some code/data optimizations but we are talking here about billion dollar companies) and now it is a finite scroll (EDIT: seems that the bill addresses this case).

Sure it will. Infinite scrolling triggers a dopamine response just like a slot machine[1]. Its sole purpose is to keep users hooked. Telling the user "you're done now, unless you want to keep going" removes that addictive reaction in the brain.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/automatic-you/201208...

Re: US could ban 'addictive' autoplay videos and infinite scrolling online

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Does it apply only to web browsers? What about apps? As far as I understand, huge part of Facebook, Twitter users use the apps and not the web, so if the bill does not ban it also there, then it will be kind of toothless (and motivate those companies to even more aggressively nudge people to use apps).

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The Republican Party in the US is famously anti-regulation of large corporations, and "pro-business," yet this is coming from the Republican side. Is there any sort of rationale provided for this seemingly massive ideological shift? Regulation of industry is usually off the table when this party is in control, at least when it comes to pollution or other consumer harms by business.

This is from the same man who blames human trafficking on the sexual revolution. [0] Conservatives hate Big Tech because of liberal bias (real or perceived). It's simply another unnecessary authoritarian measure.

[0] https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/the...

Re: US could ban 'addictive' autoplay videos and infinite scrolling online

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That's not because of infinite scrolling and autoplay.

Yes it is. Infinite scrolling triggers a dopamine response in users, keeping them wanting more. Its sole purpose is to keep you engaged in the app. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/automatic-you/201208...

The source of the mental health issues caused by social media is toxicity, competition for status, and false perceptions of how good other people's lives are. I don't believe stopping people from seeing more by clicking a continue button is going to help with the core issue.

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I hope that if they ban addictive autoplay, they apply the ruling first to broadcast TV.

How exactly would you accomplish this? It’s not as though you chose the content that plays you simply choose a station on broadcast TV.

Mandatory pauses of at least 1 minute between scheduled programs, with no moving images, to allow viewers to wake up from their "TV zombie" state.

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Well, ban cigarettes instead of the mechanism for gaining and retaining customers (ads). But the gov banned the widespread advertising of cigarettes instead of banning the product. The usa now has around a 14% smoking population, compared to like a 50% back in the 50s.

A lot of that can likely be attributed to increased public awareness of the dangers of smoking.

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Re: US could ban 'addictive' autoplay videos and infinite scrolling online

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I hope that if they ban addictive autoplay, they apply the ruling first to broadcast TV.

"addictive" being the key word, I think - which implies machine intelligence picking the next show, not network executives.

> "addictive" being the key word, I think - which implies machine intelligence picking the next show, not network executives.

How is it implied that machines are picking the next show? Humans are able to engineer addiction as well.

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Yes it is. Infinite scrolling triggers a dopamine response in users, keeping them wanting more. Its sole purpose is to keep you engaged in the app. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/automatic-you/201208...

The source of the mental health issues caused by social media is toxicity, competition for status, and false perceptions of how good other people's lives are. I don't believe stopping people from seeing more by clicking a continue button is going to help with the core issue.

Infinite scrolling is designed to keep you in the app, looking at more of the content that is going to cause "toxicity, competition for status, and false perceptions of how good other people's lives are". I recognize that these are all major issues that need to be addressed and that this bill doesn't do that as well as we'd like, but one of many other ways we CAN address that is by preventing users from addictively subjecting themselves to more of that content.
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