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Stop Blaming America’s Poor for Their Poverty

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Re: Stop Blaming America’s Poor for Their Poverty

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When we redline, assign schools without regard to quality, hassle folks for petty infractions to pump revenue, sieze assets without due process, limit entrepreneurship with onerous licensing requirements, and imprison poor folks at higher rates you end up with a perpetual underclass.

> limit entrepreneurship with onerous licensing requirements I work for a government agency that provides professional licensing in my state and was shocked the other day to learn that you need a license to operate as a "hair braider". This seemed a bit excessive to me

How else will government bureaucracy grow itself? Create more bureaucratic hurdles in the name of safety/regulation and create the need write 800 documents so they can hire the closest relative that graduated from English Literature.

Re: Stop Blaming America’s Poor for Their Poverty

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Blaming those without power for the way The System has tilted the game against them is Orwellian. Poverty is not a choice (any more than drug addiction is a choice). But we prefer to blame the victims because it's easier than looking in the mirror and accepting our role in the mess.

I am not a typical homeless person. I am educated, skilled and I have no addictions, etc. I'm also not living on the street, and am lucky to not have any health problems. But I think my story really can perhaps reveal how incredibly easy it can be for one to have the misfortune to end up in such situations.

My own experiences have opened my eyes to how abusive people can be, and perhaps this is a significant aspect of the stories of people who have failed to thrive. I don't know everyone's experience -- this is just mine.

Actually, I've often been afraid, or ashamed, to speak about the unfortunate circumstances of my life, and I've never known where to get help. I mentioned it here[1], recently on HN. The discussion there made me wonder if it is better for people like me to share their stories.

It's interesting that in the public conciousness, there is such a vocal push back against abuse, tyranny and even victim blaming. Of course it does still happen, even with consensus being against it. Most reasonable people do not appeal to living such a world, but there is an unfortunate hypocritical nature in humanity, where while people don't want to live in such a world, some of the same people are keen to take advantage, and in ways can be submissive to bullies and tyrants.

I wonder how many people there are out there with stories like mine, who have survived pscyhopathic aggression and extreme bullying, but with irreperable social or professional lives and nobody to fall back on.

I think history is full of examples of people who have been victim to such crazy, immoral things. And of course everyone says in retrospect, "if I had been there, I'd have done something."

Re: Stop Blaming America’s Poor for Their Poverty

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There will always be relative poverty. In other words if we "solved poverty" and there were no more hungry people without health insurance sleeping in the streets, you would still have people who had less than others around them. But we can try to solve absolute poverty. We can try to make sure everyone has medical coverage, adequate nutrition etc. An important element of that is we need to design systems where havin…

Do you mean inequality? Poverty has a specific meaning. We define poverty thresholds. Middle class is not in "relative poverty" compared to billioners.

Poverty thresholds have always been set relatively, even in the USA.

Re: Stop Blaming America’s Poor for Their Poverty

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I like the spirit of the article, but being poor does not resolve you of personal responsibility. You do not have a pass to commit crime because you make under a certain amount a year. There are definitely a great number of poor people in this world who have no one to blame but themselves or their family/upbringing. I think that a civilized country should have a good safety net for everyone equally, even if their poverty was their own fault. There should be no shame there. People make mistakes. People are sometimes in the wrong place at the wrong time. We should still help them even if it was their fault. I dislike this mindset in America that people get what they deserve and if they made a mistake, they should suffer for it.

Re: Stop Blaming America’s Poor for Their Poverty

#27

Blaming those without power for the way The System has tilted the game against them is Orwellian. Poverty is not a choice (any more than drug addiction is a choice). But we prefer to blame the victims because it's easier than looking in the mirror and accepting our role in the mess.

I am not a typical homeless person. I am educated, skilled and I have no addictions, etc. I'm also not living on the street, and am lucky to not have any health problems. But I think my story really can perhaps reveal how incredibly easy it can be for one to have the misfortune to end up in such situations. My own experiences have opened my eyes to how abusive people can be, and perhaps this is a significant aspect o…

I live in a van in the Valley, have an engineering degree from a top school, bankruptcy, student loan debt over me I can never hope to repay but cannot hold a job. No drugs, no smoking, no drinking, no sanitation issues, and no hanging out in the daytime with the locals.

As the learning experience of life, I realize that much of what Americans believe is a lie and that they cling to ideas and beliefs that aren't helpful for them in their circumstances: aspirational "rich" people who take up attitudes and political fashions that hurt themselves and let themselves be divided-and-conquered with artificial divisions until we're atomized and estranged from one another into seemingly virtual isolation. Plus, there's American hyper-individualism and anomie of discontent and hopelessness that's degrading the society from a network of communities into a Kafkaesque Lord of the Flies, anarcho-vulture-capitalist nightmare. American "exceptionalism" now seems to mean "If I get mine, screw everyone else."

Re: Stop Blaming America’s Poor for Their Poverty

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post #12

Funny that at the point high quality LED tv's and digital signals come onstream, the world moves from Free-to-Air into pay-to-watch. So the poor can afford amazing TVs but cannot afford to buy the content we rich get to watch. Absolute poverty improves but relative poverty goes backward is a constant. Taxing cigarettes to contain cancer risks is a no brainer, which rich people can buy themselves out from but poor add…

I don't have cable and use on-the-air TV and the image quality is better than before. They work find with digital TVs.

Re: Stop Blaming America’s Poor for Their Poverty

#29

Wow, that is one pointedly political article. Bloomberg is now solidly in my 'partisan source' category. (Read the article before downvoting, please. Give it a fair read.)

The point of an editorial section is to have an opinion.

(But a newspaper with no opinions isn't very useful either.)

Re: Stop Blaming America’s Poor for Their Poverty

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post #12

Funny that at the point high quality LED tv's and digital signals come onstream, the world moves from Free-to-Air into pay-to-watch. So the poor can afford amazing TVs but cannot afford to buy the content we rich get to watch. Absolute poverty improves but relative poverty goes backward is a constant. Taxing cigarettes to contain cancer risks is a no brainer, which rich people can buy themselves out from but poor add…

I don't have cable and use on-the-air TV and the image quality is better than before. They work find with digital TVs.

The funny thing about HDTV is that cable quality is terrible, but OTA quality is amazing. It's got way more bandwidth.
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