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Humans Will Never Colonize Mars

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Re: Humans Will Never Colonize Mars

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The way I see it, there are two goals to human space travels. The first, very distant one, is to seed ourselves among the stars to avoid being erased from existence by anything that would threaten our existence on earth, from man made cataclysm to natural event. The second, with much more immediate result on a human scale, is that every time we face such a challenge it's only an opportunity for us to develop a new te…

We can just let our machines carry our legacy after humanity is gone.

Re: Humans Will Never Colonize Mars

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One possible motive for large numbers of people to colonize Mars: escaping the control of Earth governments.

It’s like seasteading except that when you get up to something the governments really don’t like the cost of intervening is extraordinarily high.

On Mars we can build our society of genetically engineered supermen that engage in plural marriage, ritual funerary cannabilism, and telekinesis.

Re: Humans Will Never Colonize Mars

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I mean, I think it's fairly obvious that we will never be able to colonize Mars perfectly. It would require constantly sending massive amount of supplies from Earth to Mars.

The atmosphere is too thin, and the planet itself is too small to maintain a real atmosphere. Even if we terraformed it using science fiction technology, most of the atmosphere would escape into space so it would require constantly producing this atmosphere, requiring a lot of off-planet resources, which is fundamentally impossible.

In addition, the lack of strong magnetic fields and Van Allen belts means that cosmic rays would kill everything eventually.

Re: Humans Will Never Colonize Mars

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> Air pressure on Mars is very low; at 600 Pascals, it’s only about 0.6 percent that of Earth. > The thin atmosphere also means that heat cannot be retained at the surface. > Once temperatures get below the -40 degrees F/C mark, people who aren’t properly dressed for the occasion can expect hypothermia to set in within about five to seven minutes. Such a thin atmosphere will not transfer heat as effectively as it doe…

help me wrap my head around that. If you’re in -40 in a low pressure atmosphere, it doesn’t cool you down faster because there’s less mass for your heat to transfer to?

Does that mean things don’t cool down in a vacuum? Is there a weird curve where by at some point having less cold gas arounds you means you’ll cool down faster instead of slower?

Re: Humans Will Never Colonize Mars

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The way I see it, there are two goals to human space travels. The first, very distant one, is to seed ourselves among the stars to avoid being erased from existence by anything that would threaten our existence on earth, from man made cataclysm to natural event. The second, with much more immediate result on a human scale, is that every time we face such a challenge it's only an opportunity for us to develop a new te…

I honestly think that both of those are weak reasons. The first is a problem for other generations; on our own time scale we should focus on the problems that affect us on our own time scale. The second is just not compelling; space exploration is hardly the only endeavor that produces spinoff technology, and it's far from certain that it's the best or most productive way to do so.

There has only ever been one goal that has actually driven us to push our horizons further out into space, and I think it's the only one that really makes sense: We do it for the challenge and for the adventure.

As John F. Kennedy so famously put it, "We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard; because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills."

Re: Humans Will Never Colonize Mars

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Isn't convection against conduction high school level physics though ? I know it was here in France a decade and a half ego when I was there ...

Yes, but that assumes most people try to retain that knowledge longer than it takes to pass the final.

Well the details sure, but the general concept ? I have no idea of the basic reproduction number / R0 of any common virus, but I remember the idea of it. Although now that I think of it it's probably a terrible exemple since if people remembered that concept they wouldn't question herd immunity of vaccines.

I guess I'm just a bit weirded out.

Re: Humans Will Never Colonize Mars

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Honestly, I agree with the author. We'll set up a few bases, it'll take decades, and by the time we come close to having the technology to make Mars somewhat inhabitable we'll have discovered a more hospitable planet and have the spaceship tech to get there.

Re: Humans Will Never Colonize Mars

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The way I see it, there are two goals to human space travels. The first, very distant one, is to seed ourselves among the stars to avoid being erased from existence by anything that would threaten our existence on earth, from man made cataclysm to natural event. The second, with much more immediate result on a human scale, is that every time we face such a challenge it's only an opportunity for us to develop a new te…

I can get behind that, but really we ought to colonize Antarctica first (as in, with a self-sustaining colony). It's a much easier target and still presents significant challenges.

Re: Humans Will Never Colonize Mars

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think "guests on a robot-colonized Mars" is the more likely scenario. Humans are poorly adapted to space travel, and it takes a great deal of effort to keep humans alive in space. It's a shame about what's happening to our habitat, when you think about it that way.

Mankind is basically too poor and too stupid at the moment. Building a self-sustaining colony on Mars will require not only tremendous amount of resources, both material and intellectual, but also a transfer of knowledge - which will be impeded by the current legal framework, i.e. copyright laws, for example. But I do agree with Musk: we must colonize Mars in order to survive the next extinction event.

Other than higher gravity, what does Mars have that the moon doesn't? Both would need highly artificial habitats, with either a steady supply chain or a closed ecosystem, to support human life.
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