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Re: GitHub confirms it has blocked developers in Iran, Syria and Crimea

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Post by peanutgal2600 »

drak0n1c wrote: post #302
peanutgal2600 wrote: post #161

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" biggest sponsor of terrorism, ...." Mohammed Bone Saw, and the rest of the billionaires in Saudi Arabia who funded 9/11 would beg to differ. The only reason we are embargoing Iran is because AIPAC tells us to. Iran has never done anything to the United States. Saudi Arabia killed 3,000 Americans in 2 hours, and we didn't seem to mind.

Iran helped Hezbollah bomb US citizens - hundreds died. First the US Embassy in Lebanon and then the US Marines Barracks who were on a UN mission to protect Christians during the Lebanon Civil War. Iran also sponsored and trained extremists in Iraq responsible for killing and maiming thousands of U.S. soldiers. You can count up the death toll, and you'll find that nearly as many US citizens were killed by Iran-backed…

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Re: GitHub confirms it has blocked developers in Iran, Syria and Crimea

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Post by peanutgal2600 »

drak0n1c wrote: post #302
peanutgal2600 wrote: post #161

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" biggest sponsor of terrorism, ...." Mohammed Bone Saw, and the rest of the billionaires in Saudi Arabia who funded 9/11 would beg to differ. The only reason we are embargoing Iran is because AIPAC tells us to. Iran has never done anything to the United States. Saudi Arabia killed 3,000 Americans in 2 hours, and we didn't seem to mind.

Iran helped Hezbollah bomb US citizens - hundreds died. First the US Embassy in Lebanon and then the US Marines Barracks who were on a UN mission to protect Christians during the Lebanon Civil War. Iran also sponsored and trained extremists in Iraq responsible for killing and maiming thousands of U.S. soldiers. You can count up the death toll, and you'll find that nearly as many US citizens were killed by Iran-backed…

> Iran helped Hezbollah bomb US citizens - hundreds died. First the US Embassy in Lebanon and then the US Marines Barracks who were on a UN mission to protect Christians during the Lebanon Civil War. Iran also sponsored and trained extremists in Iraq responsible for killing and maiming thousands of U.S. soldiers.

I really wanted to come back to this. Why is it that when we murder people in the middle-east, we are soldiers and citizens, but when middle-easterners kill us, they are terrorists?

When Palestinians defend their homes, they are terrorists, when Israelis kill Palestinians, they are the chosen people doing god's will. Don't you see some discord there?

As an American, I'm baffled by our support of Israel and criticism of Palestine. If the tables were turned, would Americans be terrorists for defending our homes, and for killing those who kill us in order to take our property?

Why is this any different? Why do we give them a free pass to destroy a nation, systematically remove them from their homes, take their passports (Palestinians must become Jordanian citizens in order to leave Occupied Palestine)?

If I make a fake book that claims to be 3,001 years, is it cool for me to go to Jerusalem and start claiming buildings as mine?

Re: GitHub confirms it has blocked developers in Iran, Syria and Crimea

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Post by peanutgal2600 »

peanutgal2600 wrote: post #321
drak0n1c wrote: post #302

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Iran helped Hezbollah bomb US citizens - hundreds died. First the US Embassy in Lebanon and then the US Marines Barracks who were on a UN mission to protect Christians during the Lebanon Civil War. Iran also sponsored and trained extremists in Iraq responsible for killing and maiming thousands of U.S. soldiers. You can count up the death toll, and you'll find that nearly as many US citizens were killed by Iran-backed…

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Re: GitHub confirms it has blocked developers in Iran, Syria and Crimea

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Post by stenl »

meddlepal wrote: post #95
stenl wrote: post #69

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For example, the Iraq war was not approved by the UN Security Council, which is the only forum that can approve the use of force between (UN member) countries, apart from self defence. See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_the_Iraq_War for more details.

The UN doesn't have any legal authority and even if it did it wouldn't be able to enforce it without the US and it's allies. Remember, international "law" doesn't exist. There is no legal/illegal. It's all governered by treaties and gentlemen's agreements between nation's.

International law definitely exists. In fact, Wikipedia has a whole long and interesting article about it: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_law

Another example: international law bans torture, enforceable under ”universal jurisdiction”. That might be one reason why Bush and Cheney haven’t been to Europe since their days in office.

Re: GitHub confirms it has blocked developers in Iran, Syria and Crimea

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Post by diminoten »

snitko wrote: post #320
diminoten wrote: post #308

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You're completely ignoring feature parity, among many, many other things in your oversimplification... Ask any founder here: people don't generally randomly throw money without getting value; ergo these multibillion dollar services you're pretending are entirely replaceable with free tools offer some additional value .

I'm a founder. I'm extremely careful not throwing money. And I'm especially am aware of the changing environment. The internet is no longer free. You depend on a third party, you lose. The only true way is to gradually build your own infrastructure as you grow.

That's fine, but pretending like this is an objectively superior solution and the value prop of these companies doesn't exist is flat wrong.

What if someone applied your own logic to buying your product (why pay when I can get the exact same thing from free tools)? It'd be annoying and generally wrong, wouldn't it?

Re: GitHub confirms it has blocked developers in Iran, Syria and Crimea

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Post by tapia »

driverdan wrote: post #290
tapia wrote: post #30

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Not like the US government is any better right now

The US government is executing people for being homosexual and imprisoning women for being individuals? Really??

Of course they don't do that. However, that is certainly not the reason why the relations are so bad. The US government has absolutely no problem in having very good relations with government/regimes that do those things and worse (Saudi Arabia?). The thing is that whenever a country decides to do something that the USA don't like, they begin hostilities in different levels until they a) get what they want (almost never happens) or b) completely destabilize the country.

Re: GitHub confirms it has blocked developers in Iran, Syria and Crimea

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Post by dang »

peanutgal2600 wrote: post #325
sschueller wrote: post #198

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The US putting countries on shit lists didn't start with Trump. Just ask Cuba.

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We've banned this account for breaking the site guidelines. Could you please stop creating accounts to do that with?

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: GitHub confirms it has blocked developers in Iran, Syria and Crimea

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Post by sixQuarks »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #235
ashelmire wrote: post #217

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Have you seen the US lately? We're en route to undoing Roe v Wade, the Civil Rights Act, years of progress on other matters, etc, and we've already basically given up on functional democracy by allowing corporations to spend as much as they want on candidates. What do they say about those in glass houses...?

The female lawyer who defended a woman who refused to wear a hijab was sentenced to 38 years in prison and 148 lashes. [1] Homosexuality is punishable by death. [2] Please don't act like the problems you see in the U.S are the same problems they have in Iran. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/she-... [2] https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/06/14/countries-wh...

Don't forget it was the US that destroyed Iran's democracy in 1953, installed a puppet dictator, leading to the islamic revolution we see today.

Re: GitHub confirms it has blocked developers in Iran, Syria and Crimea

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Post by snitko »

diminoten wrote: post #326
snitko wrote: post #320

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I'm a founder. I'm extremely careful not throwing money. And I'm especially am aware of the changing environment. The internet is no longer free. You depend on a third party, you lose. The only true way is to gradually build your own infrastructure as you grow.

That's fine, but pretending like this is an objectively superior solution and the value prop of these companies doesn't exist is flat wrong. What if someone applied your own logic to buying your product (why pay when I can get the exact same thing from free tools)? It'd be annoying and generally wrong, wouldn't it?

I'm happy to pay. To me, however, the value lies in predictability, sustainability and avoiding the risk of deplatforming. Tech companies come and go and are subject to political issues (as proven by Github). Thus, sometimes, it's wiser to pay engineers to set things up than buy a product/service.
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