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The Invention of Money

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Re: The Invention of Money

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So if gold is the only real money (and everything else is just debt)... What does gold’s year-long rally this year tell us?

If it breaks a certain threshold, then you can be certain it will be the global reserve currency again. People often forget how stable the world economy was under Bretton Woods.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even beyond that, there's an argument to be made that money (and debt) are at their core quantified and malleable representations of social relations.

Isn't that stretching "social"? The money I hold is not tied to the yet unknown individual or group with with whom I will exchange it for goods or services, the person might not even be born yet.

Well try to imagine there are no people around in 5 years, only you. Or that your country becomes North Korea. Or that the "yet unborn" generation, for some mysterious reason, completely rejects money. What good is your money.

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Marco Polo's stories are not regarded by scholars as authentic because in in his chronicles, he failed to mention tea, the Great Wall, the writing system, and other notable things about China at the time.

I'm surprised the New Yorker would use him as a reference.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even beyond that, there's an argument to be made that money (and debt) are at their core quantified and malleable representations of social relations.

Isn't that stretching "social"? The money I hold is not tied to the yet unknown individual or group with with whom I will exchange it for goods or services, the person might not even be born yet.

I'm willing to bet a US dollar that at least some of the money you hold is tied to some national group, a government.

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Marco Polo's stories are not regarded by scholars as authentic because in in his chronicles, he failed to mention tea, the Great Wall, the writing system, and other notable things about China at the time. I'm surprised the New Yorker would use him as a reference.

See footnote 83:

https://books.google.com/books?id=iN9Tdfdap5MC&lpg=PP1&pg=PA...

It would seem there is no consensus. Clearly some scholars think he went there.

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Marco Polo's stories are not regarded by scholars as authentic because in in his chronicles, he failed to mention tea, the Great Wall, the writing system, and other notable things about China at the time. I'm surprised the New Yorker would use him as a reference.

See footnote 83: https://books.google.com/books?id=iN9Tdfdap5MC&lpg=PP1&pg=PA... It would seem there is no consensus. Clearly some scholars think he went there.

Great reference, thanks. Possibly he went there but also fabricated and exaggerated.

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Debt: The First 5,000 Years is my preferred introduction. Critically this New Yorker account is missing the word 'usury' which was largely agreed to be evil by early religions and societies that experienced its effects...

Re: The Invention of Money

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So if gold is the only real money (and everything else is just debt)... What does gold’s year-long rally this year tell us?

In what sense is gold the real money? Gold doesn't back most currencies any longer. Money is the real money.
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