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Meal timing strategies appear to lower appetite, improve fat burning

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Re: Meal timing strategies appear to lower appetite, improve fat burning

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Post by rick22 »

yurishimo wrote: post #46

I’ll add one more anecdote to the mix here. Been doing intermittent fasting and extended fasting since February and I’m down 75 pounds in that time. I used to snore like crazy, probably had sleep apnea but was too afraid to go get tested since my grandmother died from becoming dependent on the machine and her lungs failed. Now I don’t snore at all. My wife sleeps better, I sleep better; win win! I haven’t exercised a…

Thanks for sharing. How do you manage the 48 hour and 7 day fast ? I presume you only consume water and nothing else. I skip breakfast always and can skip lunch and breakfast on alternate days. Are there any trick's to learn to fast for more than 20 hours while being mentally active like coding ?

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Post by noodle »

yoz-y wrote: post #153
noodle wrote: post #13

To add my strictly anecdotal experience: I recently started to diet for the first time ever. Never really needed it, but getting older, I noticed my weight steadily increasing despite regular exercise and finally decided to change. I always skipped breakfast, but I became a bit more strict about timing and snacking at night in order to align with IF. Switched my diet to a lazy keto (basically adkins) diet - still don…

How do you get under 25g of carbs without counting calories? Almost anything edible has some carbs in it. Even with all being low carb 25g is very easy to attain unless you are very strictly tracking macros.

25g net carbs, which is a concept specific to the diet. You subtract the carbs that have no body impact, like undigestable fiber. So for example, 1 cup of broccoli has 6g carbs, and 3g fiber. Net carbs would be 3g.

> Even with all being low carb 25g is very easy to attain unless you are very strictly tracking macros.

It really isn't that hard. Not sure what to tell ya. I read the labels on things and keep a mental count every day. It's much easier when you're only eating one or two meals a day and not snacking.

Sometimes I'm over 25g, sometimes I'm under. Being perfectly 25g every day isn't required; there isn't anything specifically magical about the 25g line, since the actual goal is inducing mild ketosis in the body and everyone's body is different. 25g is my guideline, but I don't feel bad about it if I'm a bit over.

Re: Meal timing strategies appear to lower appetite, improve fat burning

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Post by barking »

krick wrote: post #180
barking wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would you give a weight in a combination of imperial AND metric units?!

If the purpose of using imperial units is to make it as confusing as possible, then this is probably a slight improvement.

Good point, lol. Unfortunately for me I need convert to stones to get a feel for weight

Re: Meal timing strategies appear to lower appetite, improve fat burning

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Post by SUSANTREVINO20 »

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Re: Meal timing strategies appear to lower appetite, improve fat burning

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Post by SUSANTREVINO20 »

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Post by eridius »

beagle3 wrote: post #190
eridius wrote: post #186

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Ingesting nothing but water for days on end being unhealthy really shouldn't need a citation, but if you really want one, go ask your local doctor.

Having done a >20-day fast myself, multiple times, knowing a few others who have, researching the medical evidence AND discussing this with more than one local doctor, I can confidently say: You have no idea what you are talking about.

That's funny, because I've talked with doctors who oversee medically-managed weight loss programs professionally, and they made it very clear that even just doing 960Cal/day for 3+ days warranted medical supervision. This is also why stuff like Optifast requires a prescription, because it's not safe to do this kind of thing without oversight.

The fact that you've done it really has no bearing on whether it's actually healthy, and I'm going to go ahead and assume that the doctors you spoke to said the equivalent of "it won't kill you but I don't recommend it".

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Post by StavrosK »

asark wrote: post #184
StavrosK wrote: post #124

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Jeez, that sucks. Did you go back to 4000 calories when you stopped? 1400 calories don't sound too terrible, I wonder what happened.

IDK, probably. 4k's a conservative estimate for what I figure the average probably was, it may have been higher, not like I was counting those calories—I was a multiple liters of soda, maybe a whole pizza, perhaps some pop tarts or just eight slices of toast for breakfast kinda teenager. Plus probably some french fries and maybe some potato chips or snack crackers (not a small quantity of either) thrown in there. May…

Man, bodies are weird.

Re: Meal timing strategies appear to lower appetite, improve fat burning

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Post by beagle3 »

eridius wrote: post #196
beagle3 wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having done a >20-day fast myself, multiple times, knowing a few others who have, researching the medical evidence AND discussing this with more than one local doctor, I can confidently say: You have no idea what you are talking about.

That's funny, because I've talked with doctors who oversee medically-managed weight loss programs professionally, and they made it very clear that even just doing 960Cal/day for 3+ days warranted medical supervision. This is also why stuff like Optifast requires a prescription, because it's not safe to do this kind of thing without oversight. The fact that you've done it really has no bearing on whether it's actually…

Well, the doctors you asked had a vested interest, they are unlikely to say “we are mostly useless”, so I can just as easily discard that. See how easy it is to maintain one’s belief without evidence?

There is actually a lot of evidence saying anything up to about 40 days on water is fine for a healthy person, although beyond 50 days there is rapid and irreversible damage.

There are whole populations who used to live on 800kcal/days for years.

And for the record, my family doctor’s reply was “just make sure you start eating if you feel any ill effects, don’t go more than a month” - when I came to see him after about a week inquiring if my loss of appetite was something I should be worried about (because thinking and looking at food made me NOT want it, but I was feeling perfect - even better than perfect).

From your response you are likely uninterested, but reading the work of Valter Longo on fasting would probably enrich you.

Also, there’s a huge difference between reducing intake (to e.g. 900 of 500 kcal) which leaves most people hungry and irritated, and going down to essentially zero, which - past the 50 hour mark or so - does not. The doctors you consulted likely have no experience at all with the latter regime in which the body functions completely differently, and which seems like a natural “can’t find food right now” mode.

Re: Meal timing strategies appear to lower appetite, improve fat burning

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Post by eridius »

beagle3 wrote: post #198
eridius wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's funny, because I've talked with doctors who oversee medically-managed weight loss programs professionally, and they made it very clear that even just doing 960Cal/day for 3+ days warranted medical supervision. This is also why stuff like Optifast requires a prescription, because it's not safe to do this kind of thing without oversight. The fact that you've done it really has no bearing on whether it's actually…

Well, the doctors you asked had a vested interest, they are unlikely to say “we are mostly useless”, so I can just as easily discard that. See how easy it is to maintain one’s belief without evidence? There is actually a lot of evidence saying anything up to about 40 days on water is fine for a healthy person, although beyond 50 days there is rapid and irreversible damage. There are whole populations who used to live…

> Well, the doctors you asked had a vested interest, they are unlikely to say “we are mostly useless”, so I can just as easily discard that. See how easy it is to maintain one’s belief without evidence?

No, the doctor does not have a vested interest in lying to me. They're HMO doctors, this is but one facet of their job, and they're doing it because it needs medical oversight. Hell, the program itself was offered effectively at cost (it's in the HMO's interest to have healthy patients, so they charge just enough for the program to cover their expenses rather than treating it as a profit center).

In a perfectly healthy person, extended fasting is probably fine. Medical supervision isn't because it's particularly dangerous for perfectly healthy people, but because nobody is perfectly healthy and complications can arise with pre-existing undiagnosed conditions.

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Post by loco5niner »

MichaelMoser123 wrote: post #134
yurishimo wrote: post #46

I’ll add one more anecdote to the mix here. Been doing intermittent fasting and extended fasting since February and I’m down 75 pounds in that time. I used to snore like crazy, probably had sleep apnea but was too afraid to go get tested since my grandmother died from becoming dependent on the machine and her lungs failed. Now I don’t snore at all. My wife sleeps better, I sleep better; win win! I haven’t exercised a…

For me hunger is a major distraction and doesn't quite help me to stay focused. How does one manage to keep going at work with the hunger?

I've started bringing popcorn to work in the mornings. Kills the cravings and basically empty food.
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