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Librem 5 Smartphone Final Specs

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Re: Librem 5 Smartphone Final Specs

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Post by swiley »

meruru wrote: post #133
mbowcutt wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the Librem5 will have a CC-by-SA 4.0 license, aka copyleft, so it'd have to be open source.

That's a weird statement. Why would they use a CC license, rather than a software license like the GPL?

Have you read the GPL? It makes very little sense for hardware (it’s actually a pretty weird license full of all kinds of software specific things. “Linking” to “operating system components” for example doesn’t make them a derivative work, whatever all that means. There’s quite a lot of other stuff.)

The argument for using the GPL when creating copyleft software is that most copyleft software uses the GPL and you want everything to have a compatible license, that’s not really the case for hardware.

Re: Librem 5 Smartphone Final Specs

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Post by jandrese »

taylorfinley wrote: post #72
t4rewg wrote: post #64

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@RandomBacon, what mistake? It's clear you were saying, a spy app can record all the audio, gps location etc in a file, and then when the phone regains cell signal, the spy app can send out the recorded audio, gps location etc.

Not the stochastic swine, but their mistake was saying GPS signals would be logged while inside a Faraday bag. GPS signals are RF, thus blocked by any proper Faraday cage.

Faraday bags don't block a full spectrum. In fact they tend to be rated only for specific frequencies. GPS and GSM/CMDA/LTE are different enough that you should never assume a bag that is designed to block one will also get the other. Same with WiFi, AM/FM, Shortwave, WWVB, etc...

Re: Librem 5 Smartphone Final Specs

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Post by hestipod »

rehemiau wrote: post #20
AWildC182 wrote: post #14

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Buy an unlocked bootloader phone (ie oneplus) and put lineage os on it. Lineage doesn't come with any of the google apps or the play store, just a few basic apps and the ability to put whatever else you want on it.

This is what I've been doing for a few years now. Some apps require Google Play Services (Revolut?), some show a warning that can be ignored and run fine afterwards (Authy, Signal), some have limited functionality like no notifications (Slack), but many work just fine (Firefox, Spotify, and even Messenger Lite)

Microg has forked LOS and packaged it preconfigured https://lineage.microg.org/

Useful if you want play services and store function without Google. But I know it has it's own security concerns so not clearly "better" overall.

Re: Librem 5 Smartphone Final Specs

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Post by Endy »

kgwxd wrote: post #55
Endy wrote: post #36

I'm sorry, this device profile doesn't really sell me on why I need to upgrade from my Android TracFone; it doesn't even give me confidence that it will work with the networks I need it to. This is part of the problem I've found over the years with consumer Unix-derivatives - too many "figure it out yourself" answers, not enough "just works, or we'll show you how to figure out whether it works or not first". That's t…

Any mention of "just works" is going to be a lie. It's good to be honest about what you're selling, yet sellers rarely are. Just the fact they're being honest is a major selling point for me.

Oh, I agree about honesty as a selling point. That's the only thing that makes me engaged in this device. However, there's a difference between being honest in a technical sense, and seeking to solve problems from a consumer perspective without lying. And honestly, when it comes to phones, "just works" had better not be a lie, it should be requirement #1.

If Midwestern farmers could get a functional phone exchange working with a few handsets and fencing, we in the modern era shouldn't have more personal setup work than they did.

Re: Librem 5 Smartphone Final Specs

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Post by swiley »

wiz21c wrote: post #79
jraph wrote: post #27

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From an environmental perspective, it makes sense to keep your current phone as long as possible. I'd love to get rid of this thing full of proprietary stuff though.

Same dilemma for me. But I think environment priority is more important because freedom can't exist without environment. (now, it just could happen that my current phone breaks for a very unfortunate, totally unplanned, "accident" :-))

Making the moral decision requires freedom.

Look at where the modern PC ecosystem is right now with windows: huge chunks of unusable plastic,fiberglass, and metal with serious software flaws that turn them into useless trash shortly after people buy them. When the community (much less, the individual consumer) can’t deal with broken software that’s tied to their (unupgradable) hardware it all just accumulates in landfills. People accept that you have to buy new phones and laptops every couple years because they have no other practical choice.

I’m not sure I could say one should have a higher priority than the other, in fact I’m almost certain I could say they can’t.

Re: Librem 5 Smartphone Final Specs

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Post by dan1234 »

dustfinger wrote: post #116

Will Librem 5 provide a way to turn off SMT? EDIT It looks like Librem5 has a serial port [1] so you can build PureOS and flash your phone with a custom build. In that case you can configure the kernel and turn off SMT if desired. Nice :-) [1] https://developer.puri.sm/Librem5/Hardware_Reference.html#us...

I assuming SMT mean Surface Mount Technology, in this context?

It would be nice if people expanded their TLAs once in a while!

Re: Librem 5 Smartphone Final Specs

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Post by swiley »

xorcist wrote: post #89

While I really appreciate an enthusiast product (and is a proud owner of similar devices), I think Purism bit off a bit more than was necessary. Something a little bit closer to mainstream hardware would have gotten a device out earlier, and in the hands of more potential developers faster, with more time to implement whatever bits and pieces were unsatisfying. The Pinephone has a fraction of the cost and have the po…

I’m not convinced. None of the mainstream hardware I’ve seen could run wayland or X acceptably due to screwy graphics drivers and documentation hidden behind NDAs (yay Qualcomm.) If you’re going to bother putting work into something at least pick something that

1) isn’t actively fighting you

2) actually does what you want.

(Unless you meant SBC hardware, there’s plenty of IMX stuff out there not the least of which were the kindles.)

Re: Librem 5 Smartphone Final Specs

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Post by joenathanone »

sverige wrote: post #138
TylerE wrote: post #122

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It isn't close to a $600 phone. The $180 Nokia 4.1 has near identical specs....except it has an 8 core, 2ghz CPU and not a 4 core, 1.5ghz cpu You can actually get under $100 if you compromise the specs just a little.

How much does it cost to keep everyone who wants to from gathering your personal data from that $100 phone, though?

Free if you know how to use ADB and Fastboot.
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