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Meal timing strategies appear to lower appetite, improve fat burning

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Re: Meal timing strategies appear to lower appetite, improve fat burning

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Post by krick »

MRD85 wrote: post #115
namuol wrote: post #87

> For the study, researchers enrolled 11 adult men and women who had excess weight. It's amazing how low our standard for news is when it comes to things like weight loss.

Depending on the size of the effect, 11 participants can be very valid in an experiment. For example, assume you have 11 participants having a hormone measured after an experiment. If normal readings are 300 with a SD of 30, and at the end of the experiment their mean is 520 with a SD of 40, then you've just shown a strong, significant effect.

Yeah, except it usually would be (in the best case scenario) more like "520 with a SD of 40" for 10 people and "1 outlier", which you wouldn't really be able to properly conceptualize let alone explain, since your "outlier" is freaking 10% of the group.

That is, ignoring the fact that experiments without a control group can be hardly considered valid at all.

Re: Meal timing strategies appear to lower appetite, improve fat burning

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Post by astrostl »

"OMAD" (one meal a day) here. It's been 5 months. Most days, I eat lunch. And that's it, no real calorie consumption outside of that window. Not hungry, not tired, not cranky, not suffering, more free time, actually eating better (having one meal of pure crap in front of you is a clarifying moment), and losing weight at a moderate clip. YMMV, IANAD, etc.

Re: Meal timing strategies appear to lower appetite, improve fat burning

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Post by johnchristopher »

yurishimo wrote: post #173
johnchristopher wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I used to snore like crazy, probably had sleep apnea but was too afraid to go get tested since my grandmother died from becoming dependent on the machine and her lungs failed. Wait, what ? Could you expand on that ?

My grandmother had lost her job and was forced into retirement a bit early and spent a lot of time at home. Since she was single, there wasn’t much for her to do except eat and sleep until others got home from work in the evening. Well, she knew that she wasn’t supposed to sleep without her machine, so every time she got in bed, she’d put it on. This meant she was maybe spending 16 hours a day with this thing pumping…

> Obviously this is a special case. Many people use these machines with no ill side effects, but for me, since it’s so personal, I have an admittedly irrational fear of them. For me though, I’d rather not need it in the first place if I can avoid it.

Thanks for sharing that. I have a CPAP and your account is one more point to something I have been suspecting for a while now, especially in the last few days.

Re: Meal timing strategies appear to lower appetite, improve fat burning

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Post by asark »

StavrosK wrote: post #124
asark wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yeah, I put on 10 kg as well once I hit 33. I don't know what happened, everything I've read said your metabolism doesn't slow down until much later I remained trim eating 4000ish calories a day of junk food from about age 15 to age 22 or so. Attempted to crash diet to a strict 1400 calories a day to make my comes-and-goes six-pack a bit more permanent. Kept it up for about two months. Nothing (more or less) happen…

Jeez, that sucks. Did you go back to 4000 calories when you stopped? 1400 calories don't sound too terrible, I wonder what happened.

IDK, probably. 4k's a conservative estimate for what I figure the average probably was, it may have been higher, not like I was counting those calories—I was a multiple liters of soda, maybe a whole pizza, perhaps some pop tarts or just eight slices of toast for breakfast kinda teenager. Plus probably some french fries and maybe some potato chips or snack crackers (not a small quantity of either) thrown in there. Maybe a snickers. That'd be one day of food. I have no idea what my body was doing with all that extra energy. Or why my blood pressure was dead in the middle of "healthy".

Re: Meal timing strategies appear to lower appetite, improve fat burning

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Post by beagle3 »

eridius wrote: post #139
fouc wrote: post #104

Extended waterfasting is amazing folks. It's the simplest way to A) lose weight B) improve your metabolism C) increase your longevity D) help with various problems (like acne, hemorrhoids, etc). Warning: May not be safe for those with a BMI lower than 20. Fasting gives the chance for the body to engage in autophagy which is the breakdown of old or broken cells into their components and reused to repair the body. Fast…

Extended waterfasting is dangerous. If you're going to go more than 3 days on even a sub-1000Cal/day diet, please have medical supervision.

[citation needed]

Re: Meal timing strategies appear to lower appetite, improve fat burning

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Post by eridius »

beagle3 wrote: post #185
eridius wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Extended waterfasting is dangerous. If you're going to go more than 3 days on even a sub-1000Cal/day diet, please have medical supervision.

[citation needed]

Ingesting nothing but water for days on end being unhealthy really shouldn't need a citation, but if you really want one, go ask your local doctor.

Re: Meal timing strategies appear to lower appetite, improve fat burning

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Post by jsilence »

MichaelMoser123 wrote: post #134
yurishimo wrote: post #46

I’ll add one more anecdote to the mix here. Been doing intermittent fasting and extended fasting since February and I’m down 75 pounds in that time. I used to snore like crazy, probably had sleep apnea but was too afraid to go get tested since my grandmother died from becoming dependent on the machine and her lungs failed. Now I don’t snore at all. My wife sleeps better, I sleep better; win win! I haven’t exercised a…

For me hunger is a major distraction and doesn't quite help me to stay focused. How does one manage to keep going at work with the hunger?

It comes in waves, so after a while the sensation of hunger just goes away. Learn ride out the waves and you'll be fine.

Re: Meal timing strategies appear to lower appetite, improve fat burning

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Post by Slimbo »

I've also had weight loss success with IF. I do 16/8 mostly with the occastional 24 hour fast. I get a lot of pushback that it's 'bro science', and a lot of claims around improving insulin resistance isn't proven, so it's good to get some science behind the practice that clearly works.

The reason I have found it effective is that it's simple to follow. I don't need to count calories, I don't have to learn too much at all, I simply don't eat outside of my hours. Given I've now found I don't feel hungry most days until I start eating, it means I eat less.

Now the net result may simply be less calories, that that's not as simple as 'calories in calories out', because I'm consuming less as a consequence of the timing, not by consciously eating less. This may be an odd distinction for people who can diet, but for those of us who struggle with weight, it's crucial to success.

Re: Meal timing strategies appear to lower appetite, improve fat burning

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Post by Slimbo »

MichaelMoser123 wrote: post #134
yurishimo wrote: post #46

I’ll add one more anecdote to the mix here. Been doing intermittent fasting and extended fasting since February and I’m down 75 pounds in that time. I used to snore like crazy, probably had sleep apnea but was too afraid to go get tested since my grandmother died from becoming dependent on the machine and her lungs failed. Now I don’t snore at all. My wife sleeps better, I sleep better; win win! I haven’t exercised a…

For me hunger is a major distraction and doesn't quite help me to stay focused. How does one manage to keep going at work with the hunger?

I find the feeling of hunger goes away quite quickly when you're fasting, provided you haven't eaten anything already.

Things that help: - Drinking water - Drinking Coffee - Gentle exercise (something like a walk)

Re: Meal timing strategies appear to lower appetite, improve fat burning

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Post by beagle3 »

eridius wrote: post #186
beagle3 wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[citation needed]

Ingesting nothing but water for days on end being unhealthy really shouldn't need a citation, but if you really want one, go ask your local doctor.

Having done a >20-day fast myself, multiple times, knowing a few others who have, researching the medical evidence AND discussing this with more than one local doctor, I can confidently say:

You have no idea what you are talking about.

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