Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why doesn’t Norway stop making use of all that fossil fuel they sit on?
Because this (or other) fuel is still necessary right now. The way they use the money also benefits the whole country. Cutting down the Amazon is not necessary and merely benefits a small number of farmers.
In Brazil, Amazon Protections Are Slashed and Forests Fall
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#32It's a pity things are going in that direction. But i don't think we are in position to judge the Brazilians over this. I watched a short documentary about this issue recently on Youtube, and the journalists went to some really remote area and spoke with the mayor of town there. The guy was big supporter of Bolsonaro and he said something that is actually very true. He said US and Europe have no right to tell Brazil…
a government official, elected or otherwise, will most likely side with the isolationist rhetoric, if only for votes next election.
The new questionably-elected president keep the appearance of defending a brave isolation that only he is capable of (Even though the coup in brazil was caused exactly because the previous government, corrupt or otherwise, was denying american companies access to new oil reserves already), when in reality he is eating in trump's hand. He just appointed his son, who until before the election was working as a fast food chef in florida, as the brazil ambassador in the usa.
So, yes, a country should be independent and look out for the people. But in this case it is only propaganda/fake news/disinformation. whatever political campaigns are called today.
Re: In Brazil, Amazon Protections Are Slashed and Forests Fall
#33It's a pity things are going in that direction. But i don't think we are in position to judge the Brazilians over this. I watched a short documentary about this issue recently on Youtube, and the journalists went to some really remote area and spoke with the mayor of town there. The guy was big supporter of Bolsonaro and he said something that is actually very true. He said US and Europe have no right to tell Brazil…
keep in mind brazil is in a state which even senators are fleeing and asking for asylum in europe. a government official, elected or otherwise, will most likely side with the isolationist rhetoric, if only for votes next election. The new questionably-elected president keep the appearance of defending a brave isolation that only he is capable of (Even though the coup in brazil was caused exactly because the previous…
Just want to point out to non-Brazilian HNers that this view is as fringe as UFO believers or hardcore Breitbart supporters. No one serious in the country is making these claims that sound more like outdated communism than real facts.
To name one counterpoint: the US is oil sufficient thanks to shale / fracking so it doesn't care about Brazilian "pre-salt" oil which is really hard to extract....
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
keep in mind brazil is in a state which even senators are fleeing and asking for asylum in europe. a government official, elected or otherwise, will most likely side with the isolationist rhetoric, if only for votes next election. The new questionably-elected president keep the appearance of defending a brave isolation that only he is capable of (Even though the coup in brazil was caused exactly because the previous…
> Even though the coup in brazil was caused exactly because the previous government, corrupt or otherwise, was denying american companies access to new oil reserves already Just want to point out to non-Brazilian HNers that this view is as fringe as UFO believers or hardcore Breitbart supporters. No one serious in the country is making these claims that sound more like outdated communism than real facts. To name one…
Which is not to say that US interest in oil as the reason for the events at issue is a reasonable, evidence-supported belief.
Re: In Brazil, Amazon Protections Are Slashed and Forests Fall
#35It's a pity things are going in that direction. But i don't think we are in position to judge the Brazilians over this. I watched a short documentary about this issue recently on Youtube, and the journalists went to some really remote area and spoke with the mayor of town there. The guy was big supporter of Bolsonaro and he said something that is actually very true. He said US and Europe have no right to tell Brazil…
Re: In Brazil, Amazon Protections Are Slashed and Forests Fall
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why doesn’t Norway stop making use of all that fossil fuel they sit on?
Because this (or other) fuel is still necessary right now. The way they use the money also benefits the whole country. Cutting down the Amazon is not necessary and merely benefits a small number of farmers.
The comparison is invalid. This isn’t about ending existing means of supporting Brazilian society. These are about new measures that will (a) damage the rain forests, (b) almost certainly negatively impact ordinary Brazilians, and only enrich a few well connected folks.
The idea that killing the goose kind of growth will help ordinary citizens has shown to be false time and again in nearly every other nation.
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#37I'm yet to see an article from nytimes and so on where they begin with basic and correct information instead of out-of-the-pocket made up numbers. Because numbers, in reality, are very different from this perspective that it's written. There isn't these increase in forests falling as this article implies.
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#38Everytime there are news about Brazil the threads get a simple political view with shallow arguments. I'm yet to see an article from nytimes and so on where they begin with basic and correct information instead of out-of-the-pocket made up numbers. Because numbers, in reality, are very different from this perspective that it's written. There isn't these increase in forests falling as this article implies.
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#39This happens when other nations and unions stand by idly instead of immediately threaten sanctions against insane people like Bolsonaro. There needs to be so much pressure on the country, that they riot against people like him and rid themselves of people like him. The moment this guy talked about cutting down trees, other nations should have immediately threatened with heavy sanctions, to stop this thread right away…
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#40“The Amazon is ours, not yours,” he told a European journalist. I wonder if there's a scenario somewhere, already worked out, where this is not true anymore. A military takeover of the amazon basin.