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Re: Adblocking: How about Nah?

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Another possibility would be to create ad blockers that do that, i.e. block third party javascript but not pure text or images. Then you get the same result, simple ads get through but ad scripts don't, so the people who use ads without scripts are the only ones who make money from them.

Such a ad blocker already exists; it's called NoScript.

Ad blockers block specific things - NoScript blocks all JS. It’s really not an acceptable alternative.

Re: Adblocking: How about Nah?

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Why is JavaScript even allowed in ads? Why can’t they be limited to images, text, and/or looping HTML5 videos?

Could you imagine if cable companies could control your Smart TV when showing ads and collect data about your viewing habits?

A minority of us have been saying this for years, WHEN will the tech industry cry loud enough for change?

Re: Adblocking: How about Nah?

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Possibly the best feature of the Brave browser is having that be one tap away, remembered per-site. I really wish Firefox would copy it since I’m not optimistic about Brave’s longevity.

Ublock origin (in advanced mode), umatrix, and noscript each enable this functionality. Umatrix has the best UI of the three once you get used to it in my opinion. Go on YouTube and look for "the hated one" for great tutorials on JS blocking with umatrix and ublock origin.

uMatrix is wonderful. I can’t imagine browsing without it. The parent comments are talking about iOS, though, where there is unfortunately much less choice. Even “Firefox” on iOS isn’t really Firefox and can’t run normal extensions.

Re: Adblocking: How about Nah?

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I don't actually want to block ads. If you want to put a small text or image blurb anywhere on the page... Good for you. I'll gladly accept those on a webpage so that the content creator can make a bit of cash. But these companies are intentionally blurring the lines between advertisement and digital surveillance. You don't need to collect everything about my operating system, browser, monitors, GPU, every click I ma…

I do want to block ads. I hate advertising in all its forms. I despise the psychological games that advertisers play with our minds. If I could wear a pair of contact lenses that blocked out billboards and other kinds of non-digital advertising, I would do so in a heartbeat.

Agreed. I would go so far as to vote for a representative who wanted to pass a law restricting what is legal advertisement.

I believe undisclosed ads should be illegal, I would ban music in ads, I would ban color in ads, I would ban sexuality in advertisement, I would ban appeals to emotions in ads.

If a product truly makes the life of the purchaser better, then no gimmicks are needed to sell it.

Re: Adblocking: How about Nah?

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I've been blocking ads ever since I learned that I could stop seeing DoubleClick ads by blocking their domain in /etc/hosts. I won't ever apologize for doing so. As far as I'm concerned, any advertisement that depends on JavaScript is malware, and I think that my right to protect myself online outweighs the need of publishers to turn a profit. IMO, profits are like respect. They must be earned, and if the only way yo…

Best way to block ads in 2019?

Re: Adblocking: How about Nah?

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Any "browser" without its own engine isn't really relevant here, as 95% of their product is being maintained by a third party. This includes Brave, Opera, Gnome Web, and now even Edge. (I'm admittedly not sure how I'd classify stuff like Pale Moon, which is primarily based off someone else's engine but now backports its own patches.)

But isn't it? Google Chrome is trying to reduce ad blocking by changing webRequest API, but others that use the same engine can simply undo that change.

If we're thinking of traditional ad blockers, I can see where you're coming from. But really, I don't think that's in danger. There will always be forks, or binary patches, not to mention router/DNS level solutions.

What I find much more scary is the prospect of the entire web stack becoming much more locked down as a consequence of both (1) ad blocker prevention and (2) the consolidated browser market. Think Encrypted Media Extensions, but for everything.

If there were ten browsers in active use today, getting them all to agree to something like this would be almost impossible. Unfortunately, there's only 2–3 browsers, and if Firefox loses any more marketshare...

Re: Adblocking: How about Nah?

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I still firmly believe that in-browser crypto mining could solve internet advertising problems fairly for both parties.

1. As a user, you set your preference: no mining - ads will show instead. No ads, there will be some mining.

2. The longer a user stays on a page, ie the more engaging the content is, the more money the publisher earns. In theory, this would trigger a natural correction for dark publishing patterns: click bait would diminish, articles split over X pages would reduce. True, engaging content would win.

Hitherto all alternatives for remunerating publishers have flopped (an engaged user has no easy way to remunerate aside from pulling out a credit card..) .. so we have been stuck with ads.

I was truly sad to see in-browser crypto mining get banned. For a brief moment, it seemed that pleasing everyone was going to be possible.

Re: Adblocking: How about Nah?

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post #67

I don't actually want to block ads. If you want to put a small text or image blurb anywhere on the page... Good for you. I'll gladly accept those on a webpage so that the content creator can make a bit of cash. But these companies are intentionally blurring the lines between advertisement and digital surveillance. You don't need to collect everything about my operating system, browser, monitors, GPU, every click I ma…

> But these companies are intentionally blurring the lines between advertisement and digital surveillance.

That's what I've been harping on. I'm not blocking ads, I'm trying to protect my privacy and keep ad companies from effectively DoSing my browser.

Nothing about 'ad blockers' prevent advertisers from showing ordinary magazine style ads.

Re: Adblocking: How about Nah?

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I'm amazed that all the interested parties haven't got together to flesh out a microtransaction standard. The whole ad-blocking debate would be moot if we could pay a few cents to read an article free of distracting ads. If you choose not to pay, you get the ads and don't get to complain about ad-blocker-blockers because you were offered an alternative. I know it has been attempted in the past with little success, bu…

I'm browser crypto mining. There's a direct link between the time a user is engaged, and the amount of money a publisher earns.

The relationship is direct between reader and publisher; making quality content becomes important again, there's no adoption friction, and ad networks become a thing of the past.

It's no wonder Google blocked browser mining quick-smart.. it had the potential to bring down the entire house of cards.

Re: Adblocking: How about Nah?

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I've been blocking ads ever since I learned that I could stop seeing DoubleClick ads by blocking their domain in /etc/hosts. I won't ever apologize for doing so. As far as I'm concerned, any advertisement that depends on JavaScript is malware, and I think that my right to protect myself online outweighs the need of publishers to turn a profit. IMO, profits are like respect. They must be earned, and if the only way yo…

Best way to block ads in 2019?

Are you asking about blocking ads on a smartphone? Or on a desktop/laptop? The answer depends on your platform, you see.
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