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Why we don't use Galileo's last name (2009)

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Re: Why we don't use Galileo's last name (2009)

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Having a single name is quite common nowadays, particularly among celebrities: Slash. Bono. Dido. Cher. Sting. Prince. I really wonder what it says in their passports. And what about The Rock? Is his first name "The" and his last name "Rock"?

Is this a serious comment? Have you really never heard of stage names? Or even bothered to look at any of their Wikipedia pages?

Re: Why we don't use Galileo's last name (2009)

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And I'm reminded of a time in college when my roommate, who majored in classics, came home from class today and told me that they discussed a theory that the Iliad and Odyssey, were not actually written by Homer, but rather by a different place poet who happened to have the same name. "So they were actually written by Homer then?" I thought it hilarious, because the only identity of Homer I knew was the guy who wrote…

I heard there was a similar confusion with Jesus Christ, basically another prophet of the same name around the same time. One got killed on the cross but the other one lived, leading to the 'came back from death' rebirth story.

Yeah, there's quite a few prophets in the Bible by that same name. So many that they changed the language Jesus' name is rendered in to prevent confusion.

Jesus is the Latin form of Yeshua/Joshua.

Re: Why we don't use Galileo's last name (2009)

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Very true. I've experienced a bit of this first-hand. Growing up, I, my father, and my paternal grandfather all shared the same first name and last name, and all lived within a couple of miles of each other (my father and I obviously lived in the same residence a big chunk of my childhood, and grandpa lived just a short hop away). Our mail (and gosh knows what else) got mixed up all the time. To make it even worse, I…

now I'm dying to call you and ask for $FIRST_NAME...

I screen out calls from you anyway, @mgkimsal!

Re: Why we don't use Galileo's last name (2009)

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Last names, surnames & nicknames were initial attempts of man to address name collisions. SMS lingo & keyboards caused this: https://www.abbreviations.com/acronyms/FAMOUSPEOPLE I hear there are 300 million Hindu gods, someone ought to list them out somewhere for reference.

I guess you can start here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vishnu_Sahasranama#The_Thousan...

Re: Why we don't use Galileo's last name (2009)

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Very true. I've experienced a bit of this first-hand. Growing up, I, my father, and my paternal grandfather all shared the same first name and last name, and all lived within a couple of miles of each other (my father and I obviously lived in the same residence a big chunk of my childhood, and grandpa lived just a short hop away). Our mail (and gosh knows what else) got mixed up all the time. To make it even worse, I…

>and phone calls are always weird when I answer "Hi, this is Phil" and the person on the other end goes "Oh, sorry, I was calling for $FIRST_NAME". So don't answer the phone that way. There's no reason to volunteer info to a complete stranger you know nothing about anyway. All you have to do is say "Hello?" Then the caller will say "I'm looking for ", and then you can handle it however you like.

So don't answer the phone that way.

Sure, I could do that. At this point, the way I answer the phone is more habit than any deeply considered policy. And honestly, more and more, I find that I rarely answer the phone unless I recognize the person calling. Everybody else can leave a voicemail or send email (which is more my preferred way to communicate anyway).

Re: Why we don't use Galileo's last name (2009)

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Same in Spain and Sweden when it comes to fiscal Id. Really useful. But the number is not enough to buy anything or open a bank account. For that you need the physical id card that is as hard as forge as passports. A very good system to make contracts, paying taxes, school registration, etc easy without allowing false impersonation.

How do you use this physical ID card online? Or phrased otherwise, how do you apply for a credit card or similar online?

> How do you use this physical ID card online?

You don't. For that, you can get a digital signature. You can go to a police station, or to an embassy and present your physical Id card to get a digital signature. You can use that signature to sign contracts or your tax returns.

> how do you apply for a credit card or similar online?

In Spain, with your usual bank, you use your login/password and your 2FA.

In Sweden, you can use Bank-Id almost everywhere to identify yourself. It is also a digital signature, but it has brother use.

Re: Why we don't use Galileo's last name (2009)

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Having a single name is quite common nowadays, particularly among celebrities: Slash. Bono. Dido. Cher. Sting. Prince. I really wonder what it says in their passports. And what about The Rock? Is his first name "The" and his last name "Rock"?

Is this a serious comment? Have you really never heard of stage names? Or even bothered to look at any of their Wikipedia pages?

Yes, it was a serious comment, and yes, I'm aware of stage names. I suppose I could have said that you can think of "Galileo" as Galileo Galilei's stage name, except that he wasn't a performer.

Re: Why we don't use Galileo's last name (2009)

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All the EU countries except for Denmark, Ireland and UK have identity cards. All the EU countries except for Ireland and UK are part of the Schengen Area (or are obliged to join in the future, for some recent members). It remains to be seen what Ireland status is once UK is out, depending on what kind of border is put in place between them. The trend in the EU is for more control (regarding IDs and in many other issu…

That neatly demonstrates the idiocy of Brexit: The UK, Ireland, Channel Islands and Isle of Man have had a common travel area since before WW2, requiring no papers. Which could easily disintegrate with the way our govt is going about Brexit, and would cause issues. Complete freedom from papers changed 15 or 20 years ago for air travel in that it got silly: you "had to prove that you didn't need to prove your ID, by h…

My point is that the UK is a bit of an outlier in the EU and was resisting many of the “unification” policies (including also the common currency, again in the company of Denmark — and Sweden that’s supposed to join but it’s just not doing it). UK citizens distrust their government and even more a supranational government and in the same way that UK citizens don’t like being controlled by their government the UK doesn’t like being controlled by the EU. That’s what I meant by “this kind if attitude” and apparently these are hills a majority of people chose to die on.

Re: Why we don't use Galileo's last name (2009)

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It's worth mentioning that in case of ambiguity (people with the same name born the same day in the same city) the algorithm solves it by allowing the 7 numbers in the code to be replaced with letters, thus allowing up to 128 variations of the same fiscal code

Again to be picky, not really-really, the algorithm does very little. If there is not "homocody" the algorithm is "enough". If there is, then it is allowed to use an algorithm to calculate a different code, BUT this can only be done by the Agenzia delle Entrate that keeps all codes in a database to avoid duplications: https://quifinanza.it/tasse/codice-fiscale-come-si-calcola-e... Since the Codice Fiscale comes physi…

I've also witnessed the opposite problem: a government office roughly equivalent to the DMV (motorizzazione civile) registering a driving license with a codice fiscale provided by person without checking that it was actually issued by the government.

15 yeas later, another person in a different city, miles away, argued loudly, while trying to file the request to convert a foreign driving license, that she 100% sure she didn't already have a driving license in Italy.

(Source: I was waiting in line for my turn and heard every word, increasingly feeling a Kafkaesque grip in my stomach and hoping to never get on the wrong side of Italian burocracy. fwiw, they didn't solve the issue during that session)

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