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Re: GitHub banned all Iranian users. Our accounts are restricted. Please support us

#81

Post by peter_d_sherman »

The Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution:

"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

(Property includes intellectual property, such as computer code.)

(Due Process includes (but is not limited to) Trial by a Jury of one's peers...)

Re: GitHub banned all Iranian users. Our accounts are restricted. Please support us

#82

Post by dang »

sdinsn wrote: post #38
tyingq wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That comment deserves more detail. Blocking an entire sovereign nation from significant useful "free" information seems pretty important to me.

Iranian users being unable to use GitHub is an incredibly insignificant issue.

Please don't add nationalistic insults to HN threads. Also, please don't post unsubstantive comments generally.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: GitHub banned all Iranian users. Our accounts are restricted. Please support us

#83

Post by dang »

ssnistfajen wrote: post #19

GitHub has no choice but to comply with U.S. laws and regulations, yet I'm not seeing anyone here claim that GitHub is a "direct arm" of the U.S. government? Oh right, common sense and basic logic only apply when the involved entities are American. For everyone else it's all about hypocrisy and double standards in the purpose of nationalist chest-thumping.

Please don't take HN threads into nationalistic flamewar.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: GitHub banned all Iranian users. Our accounts are restricted. Please support us

#84

Post by dang »

jMyles wrote: post #12
nwah1 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would an exec intentionally violate US law for this?

Because it's the right thing to do and MS has the power to do it.

It looks like you've been using HN primarily for political battle. That's against the site guidelines and we ban accounts that do it. Would you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and use HN as intended? It's intended for intellectual curiosity.

Plenty more explanation here:

Re: GitHub banned all Iranian users. Our accounts are restricted. Please support us

#85

Post by edejong »

sanderjd wrote: post #18
edejong wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Github owned by Github. But this is something different. It is Github owned by Microsoft. Acquisitions, in general, do not end well for the established user-base. Suggestion: move you repositories! Host your own repositories! Use something different, like Gerrit, to spice up your development! Take matters in your own hand! Own your data, own your compute!

Is there something about this that I've missed that has something to do with the Microsoft acquisition? The same laws would have governed GitHub if they hadn't been acquired.

It all depends on interpretation of the law, lobbying, stalling and the amount of bad press an actor can handle. Microsoft is a much older company and is likely to have stronger ties to the established government.

Re: GitHub banned all Iranian users. Our accounts are restricted. Please support us

#86

Post by berbec »

peter_d_sherman wrote: post #81

The Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution: "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be c…

I love the US constitution as much as the next guy, but isn't it a bit of a stretch to apply this section to a non-citizen not even located in the States?

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#87

Post by Brian_K_White »

berbec wrote: post #86
peter_d_sherman wrote: post #81

The Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution: "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be c…

I love the US constitution as much as the next guy, but isn't it a bit of a stretch to apply this section to a non-citizen not even located in the States?

It does say "no person". But "due process" can mean anything.

Re: GitHub banned all Iranian users. Our accounts are restricted. Please support us

#88

Post by petercooper »

peter_d_sherman wrote: post #81

The Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution: "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be c…

nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law

Sanctions are duly enforced laws.

Re: GitHub banned all Iranian users. Our accounts are restricted. Please support us

#90

Post by nbanks »

I don't understand why this was done suddenly. Warning Iranians that there account will be blocked next month and offering read-only access in the meantime would be much more reasonable. I'd expect legal action to impose the ban would likely take at least this long. I'm glad git is a distributed system, and hope no one lost any information.
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