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Re: GitHub banned all Iranian users. Our accounts are restricted. Please support us

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Because it's the right thing to do and MS has the power to do it.

In what way do they have that power? Do you just mean in the way that anyone has the power to break laws and face the consequences, or something else?

Microsoft is not untouchable by any means, but, probably more than any company in the world right now, they have the power to gain clarity on these sanctions (and possibly also the EAR issue).

Microsoft has obviously turned a corner recently into dramatic support for open source collaboration. They're pushing VSCode. They bought github. They support linux. None of us will be surprised to hear that they're seeking to buy StackExchange or Discord soon.

I'm saying: if these are their true colors, then they mount a full-throated resistance to this nonsense. They have the legal team, the technical talent, and the political connections to do so.

Start by refusing to take down Github Pages of nationals of sanctioned countries and refusing to disappear repositories maintained by the same, absent a specific court order. Then, challenge it in court.

Will the US Government have the gall to go to Seattle and cuff somebody over this? If they do, it will be a major international incident and rallying cry, and that person (and Microsoft) will look internationally heroic.

Re: GitHub banned all Iranian users. Our accounts are restricted. Please support us

#72
post #27

Looks like it's time to migrate the rest of my stuff off US-based hosts. Today Iran, tomorrow who knows? Far easier to take a couple days to move my stuff now than having to do it under duress in a year or two.

They only block really antagonistic regimes which don’t comply with UN and other international sanctions. It has to be a really rogue regime that threatens regional or world peace.

I don't think it has to do anything with UN and international sanctions, Iranians once negotiated in the Obama's presidency and made a deal with 5+1, after Obama, Trump broke the deal and the US is out of that now, but the rest of the world didn't, so it is just US sanction not "International" or UN sanctions.

On the other hand, blocking Iranian GitHub accounts is helping to change Iran regime? Are Iranian GitHub Users developing nuclear bombs there?

Re: GitHub banned all Iranian users. Our accounts are restricted. Please support us

#73
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Recent discussion "GitHub and Trade Controls" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20526039 and "My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanctions as I live in Crimea" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20531039 And related "How is it like to be a dev in Iran" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20493699 > let us download our private repositories and also make them public (setting control). Seems reasonabl…

>It's US law and GitHub (Microsoft) is bound by it.

That seems like a terrible situation. What if tomorrow there's a US law that

Maybe they should fork into GitHub US, GitHub EU and so on.

Re: GitHub banned all Iranian users. Our accounts are restricted. Please support us

#74

Microsoft banned all Iranian users. And crimea if I recall correctly. Financial support of open source is a nice thing, but folding open source into the world of US political choas seems so wrong. I for one will be moving my projects elsewhere. Not sure where yet, probably a bitbucket server.

If your policy is not to use products of companies operated in the US (and thus bound by US laws)...you're going to have to give up a lot more than just GitHub.

I'm not a huge fan of these sanctions. Though I do think Microsoft is following the law in a fairly standard fashion.

Re: GitHub banned all Iranian users. Our accounts are restricted. Please support us

#75
post #27

Looks like it's time to migrate the rest of my stuff off US-based hosts. Today Iran, tomorrow who knows? Far easier to take a couple days to move my stuff now than having to do it under duress in a year or two.

They only block really antagonistic regimes which don’t comply with UN and other international sanctions. It has to be a really rogue regime that threatens regional or world peace.

Then they should block the US and Israel first.

Re: GitHub banned all Iranian users. Our accounts are restricted. Please support us

#76
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They only block really antagonistic regimes which don’t comply with UN and other international sanctions. It has to be a really rogue regime that threatens regional or world peace.

For now. There is absolutely no reason to suspect that won't change in the future.

Well if the future is just a big black box, why is it reasonable to move to hosts outside the US?

If current conditions are not a good predictor for future conditions, isn't it equally likely that other countries (same as the US), could change in the future to sanction other countries and restrict online services operated there?

Re: GitHub banned all Iranian users. Our accounts are restricted. Please support us

#77
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They only block really antagonistic regimes which don’t comply with UN and other international sanctions. It has to be a really rogue regime that threatens regional or world peace.

Then they should block the US and Israel first.

I don't see how that applies. We typically have backchannels and other recourse when we have differences with allies (like Obama had with Israel).

Re: GitHub banned all Iranian users. Our accounts are restricted. Please support us

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Re: GitHub banned all Iranian users. Our accounts are restricted. Please support us

#79
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> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9ta... > The 1953 Iranian coup d'état, known in Iran as the 28 Mordad coup d'état (Persian: کودتای ۲۸ مرداد‎), was the overthrow of the democratically elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh in favour of strengthening the monarchical rule of Mohammad Reza Pahlavi on 19 August 1953, orchestrated by the United States (under the name TPAJAX Project or "Operati…

I'm not sure what your point is? Irrespective of the past (whatever wrongdoing the US may or may not have engaged in), it matters not to the current situation for the people of Crimea, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, and Syria.

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Re: GitHub banned all Iranian users. Our accounts are restricted. Please support us

#80
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Is there something about this that I've missed that has something to do with the Microsoft acquisition? The same laws would have governed GitHub if they hadn't been acquired.

From an Open Source developer point of view, yes, of course. Open Source projects should not be hosted with them. Period. It completely betrays the spirit of the licenses the code is released under, which guarantees access to anyone, regardless of political, religious, etc.

People of any religion, political affiliation can still access open source code. Just Iranians can't get it from GitHub (and theoretically, from any US company complying with our ridiculous sanctions policy). It has NOTHING to do with licenses, no matter how much you wish it did.

How does MY decision as a programmer to host MY GPL-licensed code on GitHub somehow mandate an obligation on GitHub to break US law?

How does it somehow violate the "spirit" of the license?

If you think Microsoft in 2019 is some evil bad anti-Open-Source monster like it was 20 years ago, consider this: do you really think that Amazon, Google, Rackspace, or anybody else is going to sell services to Iranians in direct conflict with US law? Realistically, maybe the Feds don't care or won't care enough to do anything, but it's not like GitHub is just doing this because somebody there doesn't like Iran.

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