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Siri records fights, doctor’s appointments, and sex, and contractors hear it

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Re: Siri records fights, doctor’s appointments, and sex, and contractors hear it

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Post by pkroll »

dhimes wrote: post #74
freehunter wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had it trigger while watching an episode of Archer. I even went back and played it a few more times to double check it wasn’t a fluke.

I no longer see a way to turn Siri "off", only to not respond to "hey Siri" but rather the home button. Does this mean she's not listening unless I've activated, or is she listening anyway? (I can't seem to help anthropomorphizing Siri it seems...).

If you turn off all the options, you'll get a dialog that asks if you want to turn Siri off altogether. (As I just did.)

Re: Siri records fights, doctor’s appointments, and sex, and contractors hear it

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Post by AsyncAwait »

wil421 wrote: post #64
forgotmyhnacc wrote: post #24

Many HNers have a weird belief that Apple is somehow a privacy focused company, despite it actually being no more private than Facebook or Google. The main concern people have (voice assistants beside) is data gathering for ads, which Apple does for their app search, among other places. Also, their data centers are in China, which gives Chinese authorities full access to their iCloud account. If you want privacy, don…

Google makes business off of selling ads. Apple makes their business off selling hardware and software.

Increasingly 'services', for which they want to lock you in for rent.

Re: Siri records fights, doctor’s appointments, and sex, and contractors hear it

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Post by _khhm »

matt-attack wrote: post #27
droithomme wrote: post #8

If Siri reviewers encounter evidence of certain crimes such as murder, sex trafficking, pedophilia, or domestic abuse, it is obvious they have a basic moral duty to report the crime and turn over the evidence to investigators.

As an aside, it’s highly ignorant to refer to pedophilia as a “crime”. Please be aware that pedophilia is not in fact a crime at all. It in fact refers to the attraction one had toward pre-pubescent children. Be aware that this is entirely different than being a child rapist. I assume you meant to say “child rapists” in your statement. In the same way it’s generally accepted that homosexuals and heterosexuals don’t c…

When you're on the side NOT defending pedophiles, you know you're on the right side of history.

Democrats: We'll do anything it takes to get Trump! No one is above the law!

Also Democrats: Watch as we provide "sanctuary cities" for illegal immigrants to be above the law, and we normalize pedophilia!

https://i.imgur.com/zs2VlOn.jpg

Re: Siri records fights, doctor’s appointments, and sex, and contractors hear it

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Post by blub »

bitreality wrote: post #73
blub wrote: post #69

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Google is the worst at privacy. Even when Apple or any other company fucks up it's always worth noting that, maybe it dents their undeserved reputation even more.

Arguing over which tech behemoth is worse at privacy is pointless. The fact is that they are incentivized against privacy. Your data is valuable. The cost of anonymizing your data is expensive, and offers little measurable ROI. Some companies work on providing the illusion that they care about privacy. But at the end of the day, unless it's convenient for them, and does not interfere with their goal, you should assum…

No, because privacy in today's world is not black and white. Apple is definitely much better than MS and Google, so people that e.g. buy Apple smartphones have better privacy than Android users.

This is not a theoretical concern: I can buy an iPad for my parents, turn of iCloud & Siri, install an Ad-blocker and they will be reasonably safe from cybercriminals and spyware companies like Google.

Re: Siri records fights, doctor’s appointments, and sex, and contractors hear it

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Post by bredren »

sorokod wrote: post #70
ben_w wrote: post #52

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I use it sometimes. For household use I pretty much agree: my partner has Alexa set up to turn lights on and off, and it only works about 70% of the time. Apple doesn’t, I think, say it’s Siri which is running this keyboard which I am using right now to “write” this content, but I assume the voice recognition engine is the same one, and it’s significantly more useful than Alexa. For example the only edits I have made…

"my partner has Alexa set up to turn lights on and off" Do you really need the help of a megacorp to turn lights on and off?

Smart light systems are really good. You can be in bed and say “goodnight” and all of your lights turn off. It is convenient. Schedules are also helpful. I use them on grow bulbs for plants.

Re: Siri records fights, doctor’s appointments, and sex, and contractors hear it

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Post by akseln »

jtbayly wrote: post #82

I think the most important piece of info isn't even in this article. The Verge article I submitted[0] had this quote: "Additionally, as The Guardian notes, while Amazon and Google allow customers to opt out of some uses of their recordings, Apple doesn’t offer a similar privacy protecting option, outside of disabling Siri entirely. That’s a particularly bad look, given that Apple has built so much of its reputation o…

Does disabling Siri severely affect accessibility and usability for physically impaired people?

Also how is this on other platforms, are disabled people forced to unfairly compromise their privacy to properly use IT today?

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Post by chronogram »

bredren wrote: post #105
sorokod wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"my partner has Alexa set up to turn lights on and off" Do you really need the help of a megacorp to turn lights on and off?

Smart light systems are really good. You can be in bed and say “goodnight” and all of your lights turn off. It is convenient. Schedules are also helpful. I use them on grow bulbs for plants.

I'd sooner use a car for grocery shopping (10 minute walk) than retrofit my bedroom so I don't have to take another step.

However! It is exceptionally useful for people who are injured, sick, or disabled in some other way.

Re: Siri records fights, doctor’s appointments, and sex, and contractors hear it

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Post by chronogram »

writepub wrote: post #45

Apple is marginally better than the rest at privacy, but their marketing centers around it. If you're naive enough to fall for their marketing, this should be a wake up call. This, and the zero resistance Apple offers China, when they demand iCloud data of Chinese citizens.

> If you're naive enough to fall for their marketing, this should be a wake up call.

I admit that I was naive enough..

Re: Siri records fights, doctor’s appointments, and sex, and contractors hear it

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Post by sorokod »

bredren wrote: post #105
sorokod wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"my partner has Alexa set up to turn lights on and off" Do you really need the help of a megacorp to turn lights on and off?

Smart light systems are really good. You can be in bed and say “goodnight” and all of your lights turn off. It is convenient. Schedules are also helpful. I use them on grow bulbs for plants.

> You can be in bed and say “goodnight” and all of your lights turn off

Well that is qute, but the flip side is that FANGs and gods know who else may be listening in.

> Schedules are also helpful. I use them on grow bulbs for plants.

Timers for turning appliances on and off have been around for decades.

Re: Siri records fights, doctor’s appointments, and sex, and contractors hear it

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Post by amelius »

jtbayly wrote: post #83
amelius wrote: post #62

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This would be a security issue. What if your SO's private conversations are reported to you?

You seem to be implying it is safer to send a recording from my phone to a huge corporation where it will be heard by any number of people I don't know than sending the recording to myself, the owner of that phone. Surely not. Perhaps that's not what you meant?

I suppose, if given the choice, most people would prefer their most intimate secrets to be leaked to a total stranger than to the people closest to them. Of course, both situations are bad, but the latter is arguably worse.
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