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Re: The Library Card Project: The Ease of Forming Anonymous Companies in the U.S.

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Post by vinay427 »

closeparen wrote: post #190
Mountain_Skies wrote: post #18

Went to rent a mailbox at the UPS Store. My drivers license and passport weren't enough identification. I needed something additional. The owner suggested I get a library card and then he could rent me the mailbox. What did the library accept as identification? My drivers license. That was all. Seemed like a weird little bit of bureaucratic red tape that accomplished pretty much nothing.

California DMV wouldn’t take my lease because it was just a printout. Changed my address with Chase from my phone while in line (no verification), walked over to the branch to get a certified statement with the new address, walked it back into the DMV, got the address on my license. The credential that actually proves where I live is rejected while the one that just repeats my arbitrary inputs is accepted! I understa…

> The credential that actually proves where I live is rejected while the one that just repeats my arbitrary inputs is accepted!

A lease doesn't prove where you live, though I generally agree with your point here. That being said, I think most people are fine or even supportive of them seeming to not even try.

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Post by trazire »

Animats wrote: post #200
elliekelly wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At first I thought, this makes no sense. Why would the Patriot Act care more about who's getting a library card than incorporating when the dirty money is obviously flowing through the entity? And then I realized, the government gets all of the ID information they need about the corporation the moment the entity needs to open a bank account. ID not just for the single corporator, but information about all of the offi…

And then I realized, the government gets all of the ID information they need about the corporation the moment the entity needs to open a bank account. Only if the corporation has a US bank account. A Cayman Islands bank account, not so much. There's too much tolerance of anonymous corporations. In California, it is a criminal misdemeanor to ask for a credit card number on line before the actual name and address of th…

For the Cayman Islands, FACTA exists, so they probably in actuality get more data about the company.

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Post by sneak »

nostromo wrote: post #32
Operyl wrote: post #26

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How was that relevant to the conversation?

He's pointing out that if one believes you should be able to vote without ID because it's a civil right, then you should also be able to buy a gun without ID because it's a civil right. My guess is that he or she is saying that it's reasonable in both cases to require ID.

Quite the opposite. I think it is unreasonable to demand government paperwork as a prerequisite for basic human rights.

If it is not reasonable to demand an ID to blog or to vote, it is not reasonable to demand an ID to obtain arms.

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Post by ghettoimp »

freehunter wrote: post #175
ghettoimp wrote: post #164

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Care to elaborate? Are you referring to taxpayers versus non-taxpayers, perhaps?

Not just taxpayers vs non-taxpayers, but WHERE you pay taxes. My taxes don’t pay for public libraries in other states or even other areas of my own state.

Aha, that's a good point.

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Post by trazire »

thatcat wrote: post #121
mc32 wrote: post #89

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You’re right. I forgot Australia and NZ. Never the less even left leaning or liberal countries out there require ID to vote: Brazil (was left), Sweden, Spain, Greece (Syriza), but then you have truly poor countries with truly poor people who still pull it off, like The Gambia, Ukraine, Libya, etc. Ukraine and The Gambia are made up of many ethnicities and they manage to do it. None the less, we're down the list at no…

Voter id is not required because by requiring it you shift voter demographics away from poor/minority/elderly people who don't have an id. The cost for an id should be zero if it is required to vote.

It normally is in Voter ID states like my (for a couple more days) home state of Wisconsin. The problem is that a lot of people can't provide supporting documentation, i.e. a birth certificate.

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Post by jakelazaroff »

manigandham wrote: post #56
jakelazaroff wrote: post #33

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GP isn't arguing against detecting voter fraud. They're arguing against making the registration process harder in order to prevent (basically nonexistent) voter fraud. The reason people in the U.S. are worried about voter fraud is that one side of the political spectrum is pushing the narrative — without any real evidence — that voter fraud is rampant. We shouldn't make it more difficult to vote in order to fix a mad…

How do you know if its non-existent if you cant even measure it from lack of proper identification?

How does an ID enable you to measure voter fraud?

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Post by Animats »

riku_iki wrote: post #204
Animats wrote: post #200

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And then I realized, the government gets all of the ID information they need about the corporation the moment the entity needs to open a bank account. Only if the corporation has a US bank account. A Cayman Islands bank account, not so much. There's too much tolerance of anonymous corporations. In California, it is a criminal misdemeanor to ask for a credit card number on line before the actual name and address of th…

> In California, it is a criminal misdemeanor to ask for a credit card number on line before the actual name and address of the business has been given to the consumer. BPC § 17538. Useful to know if you have a dispute. Interesting, never seen anybody doing this..

California prosecutors sometimes charge companies under that when they've done something else that's harder to prove.

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Post by manigandham »

jakelazaroff wrote: post #226
manigandham wrote: post #56

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How do you know if its non-existent if you cant even measure it from lack of proper identification?

How does an ID enable you to measure voter fraud?

Because you can check and measure who is actually eligible to vote before they vote.

Let me ask, why do we have identification for joining a company? Checking employment status? Boarding a flight? Starting a business? Opening a bank account? Getting government assistance? Why would that be necessary but not for voting?

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Post by Spooky23 »

pvg wrote: post #211
Spooky23 wrote: post #183

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Where voter fraud happens it isn’t random people deciding to vote 3 times. Why would anyone bother? Actual vote fraud is about political machinery. Now in the US the real election shenanigans are much cheaper and more effective... the big pools of black money and gerrymandering are the tools of modern political machines.

That's not called 'voter fraud' though - 'voter fraud' is a more narrowly specific term than 'election fraud' and 'election shenanigans'.

“Voter fraud” in that context that is at best a boogeyman and at worse code for “poor and brown people voting”.

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Post by Spooky23 »

ghettoimp wrote: post #181
Spooky23 wrote: post #151

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Amendments to the constitution have establish the right. As a society, we decided that tenants, people of non-white races, women, and 18-20 year olds should be allowed to vote. We also eliminated odious standards like counting then-slaves as 60% human.

I'm no expert and could be missing something. But it doesn't look to me like we have an "inalienable" right to vote. Various amendments do say that our right to vote can't be revoked for certain specific reasons, e.g.,: - The 15th amendment prohibits denying the right to vote on certain grounds (race, color) but doesn't go beyond that. - The 19th prohibits denying the right to vote based on sex. - The 24th prohibits…

I identify strongly as an advocate for democracy.

We have a second amendment that talks about well-regulated militia broadly interpreted to mean all sorts of things, some I agree with, some I do not.

Likewise, we have multiple, progressive amendments to the constitution with a clear goal of enabling voting to the broadest possible scope.

I live in a state that requires that you be a citizen, age 18, and not be in prison or on parole. I think that’s a fair compromise over disqualification of felons, as you create 2nd tier of citizen by denying that right.

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