Adblocking: How about Nah? • Hacker News Board

Re: Adblocking: How about Nah?

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Post by kgwxd » Sat, Jul 27, 2019, 3:26 PM UTC

booleandilemma wrote: post #7

gergles wrote: post #3

Regrettably, nobody bothers to mention that JavaScript is really what's to blame for all of this. If unnecessary use of JavaScript earned the same sort of derision that "best viewed in IE 6" banners did, we wouldn't be where we are today. That genie is too far gone to put back in the bottle, but that's the real problem with the online advertising 'ecosystem'. JavaScript enabled pop-up ads, it enables tracking, it ena…

JavaScript enabled pop-up ads, it enables tracking, it enables coinminers and other malware Isn’t this like saying atoms are to blame for nuclear warfare? Atoms enabled nuclear weapons?

JavaScript isn't from nature. It could have been designed so that it didn't enable those things, but it wasn't. It's probably more accurate to say the ability browsers grant JavaScript is to blame, but that's just splitting atoms.

Re: Adblocking: How about Nah?

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Post by MiddleEndian » Sat, Jul 27, 2019, 3:29 PM UTC

I always thought the Do Not Track option was naive. It did nothing to stop tracking except beg.

Re: Adblocking: How about Nah?

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Post by dontbenebby » Sat, Jul 27, 2019, 3:29 PM UTC

gergles wrote: post #3

Regrettably, nobody bothers to mention that JavaScript is really what's to blame for all of this. If unnecessary use of JavaScript earned the same sort of derision that "best viewed in IE 6" banners did, we wouldn't be where we are today. That genie is too far gone to put back in the bottle, but that's the real problem with the online advertising 'ecosystem'. JavaScript enabled pop-up ads, it enables tracking, it ena…

Hence my use of NoScript

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NoScript

Re: Adblocking: How about Nah?

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Post by thom » Sat, Jul 27, 2019, 3:30 PM UTC

kgwxd wrote: post #6

I've been browsing with EME disabled for years, most stuff still works, I just leave sites that don't. If I accidentally hit a site with EME too much, I add the domain to my link block list so I never see links to them ever again. If most people would get on board with that for just a year, it could sway the industry to stop using it.

Same experience for me with sites that try to pull off GDPR shenanigans. If you don’t make it easy for me I just close the site and never return, and let’s be honest, my life is better for it. The more hostile the web becomes the more likely I am to go for a walk in the park instead. Fine by me, really.

Re: Adblocking: How about Nah?

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Post by kgwxd » Sat, Jul 27, 2019, 3:31 PM UTC

MiddleEndian wrote: post #12

I always thought the Do Not Track option was naive. It did nothing to stop tracking except beg.

The only thing more naive is the cookie notice law.

Re: Adblocking: How about Nah?

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Post by jszymborski » Sat, Jul 27, 2019, 3:33 PM UTC

MiddleEndian wrote: post #12

I always thought the Do Not Track option was naive. It did nothing to stop tracking except beg.

In a sane world, DNT would be opt-out and enforced by legislation.

Re: Adblocking: How about Nah?

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Post by emptyparadise » Sat, Jul 27, 2019, 3:35 PM UTC

guscost wrote: post #8

gergles wrote: post #3

Regrettably, nobody bothers to mention that JavaScript is really what's to blame for all of this. If unnecessary use of JavaScript earned the same sort of derision that "best viewed in IE 6" banners did, we wouldn't be where we are today. That genie is too far gone to put back in the bottle, but that's the real problem with the online advertising 'ecosystem'. JavaScript enabled pop-up ads, it enables tracking, it ena…

In other words, you can build any program with a Turing-complete language.

Being Turing-complete seems a bit overkill for a hyperlinked document platform.

Re: Adblocking: How about Nah?

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Post by egdod » Sat, Jul 27, 2019, 3:35 PM UTC

jszymborski wrote: post #16

MiddleEndian wrote: post #12

I always thought the Do Not Track option was naive. It did nothing to stop tracking except beg.

In a sane world, DNT would be opt-out and enforced by legislation.

There's legislation to stop robocalls. How many have you gotten in the last 24 hours? I've had 3, and it's been a pretty typical day.

Re: Adblocking: How about Nah?

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Post by nutjob2 » Sat, Jul 27, 2019, 3:38 PM UTC

jszymborski wrote: post #16

MiddleEndian wrote: post #12

I always thought the Do Not Track option was naive. It did nothing to stop tracking except beg.

In a sane world, DNT would be opt-out and enforced by legislation.

Just like legislation stops robbery and murder.

Re: Adblocking: How about Nah?

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Post by roryrjb » Sat, Jul 27, 2019, 3:38 PM UTC

gergles wrote: post #3

Regrettably, nobody bothers to mention that JavaScript is really what's to blame for all of this. If unnecessary use of JavaScript earned the same sort of derision that "best viewed in IE 6" banners did, we wouldn't be where we are today. That genie is too far gone to put back in the bottle, but that's the real problem with the online advertising 'ecosystem'. JavaScript enabled pop-up ads, it enables tracking, it ena…

You're being downvoted of course, BUT whilst JavaScript wasn't created for all this, and itself isn't to blame, the fact that big corporations have pushed the technology forward I think is telling. At the end of the day what do Google (and others) really want? What do they have to gain with all the technology they are using, enhancing, improving?