Adblocking: How about Nah?

#1

Post by dredmorbius » Sat, Jul 27, 2019, 2:10 PM UTC

Adblocking: How about Nah?
eff.org

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#2

Post by adjagu » Sat, Jul 27, 2019, 3:09 PM UTC

Also found on EFF: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/07/adblocking-how-about-n...

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#3

Post by gergles » Sat, Jul 27, 2019, 3:12 PM UTC

Regrettably, nobody bothers to mention that JavaScript is really what's to blame for all of this. If unnecessary use of JavaScript earned the same sort of derision that "best viewed in IE 6" banners did, we wouldn't be where we are today.

That genie is too far gone to put back in the bottle, but that's the real problem with the online advertising 'ecosystem'. JavaScript enabled pop-up ads, it enables tracking, it enables coinminers and other malware.

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#4

Post by gruez » Sat, Jul 27, 2019, 3:17 PM UTC

Why not use the original eff source? https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/07/adblocking-how-about-n...

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#5

Post by codingdave » Sat, Jul 27, 2019, 3:17 PM UTC

gergles wrote: post #3

Regrettably, nobody bothers to mention that JavaScript is really what's to blame for all of this. If unnecessary use of JavaScript earned the same sort of derision that "best viewed in IE 6" banners did, we wouldn't be where we are today. That genie is too far gone to put back in the bottle, but that's the real problem with the online advertising 'ecosystem'. JavaScript enabled pop-up ads, it enables tracking, it ena…

JavaScript enables functionality in the same way that cars enable transportation. They aren't the only solution. And there would be far less injury, death, and pollution if we all just didn't use automobiles. The world would be a safer, cleaner place. And a small fraction of people would be happy with it.

JavaScript is the same. We'd have a cleaner, safer web without it. And only a small fraction of people would be happy with that.

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#6

Post by kgwxd » Sat, Jul 27, 2019, 3:18 PM UTC

I've been browsing with EME disabled for years, most stuff still works, I just leave sites that don't. If I accidentally hit a site with EME too much, I add the domain to my link block list so I never see links to them ever again. If most people would get on board with that for just a year, it could sway the industry to stop using it.

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#7

Post by booleandilemma » Sat, Jul 27, 2019, 3:19 PM UTC

gergles wrote: post #3

Regrettably, nobody bothers to mention that JavaScript is really what's to blame for all of this. If unnecessary use of JavaScript earned the same sort of derision that "best viewed in IE 6" banners did, we wouldn't be where we are today. That genie is too far gone to put back in the bottle, but that's the real problem with the online advertising 'ecosystem'. JavaScript enabled pop-up ads, it enables tracking, it ena…

JavaScript enabled pop-up ads, it enables tracking, it enables coinminers and other malware

Isn’t this like saying atoms are to blame for nuclear warfare? Atoms enabled nuclear weapons?

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#8

Post by guscost » Sat, Jul 27, 2019, 3:20 PM UTC

gergles wrote: post #3

Regrettably, nobody bothers to mention that JavaScript is really what's to blame for all of this. If unnecessary use of JavaScript earned the same sort of derision that "best viewed in IE 6" banners did, we wouldn't be where we are today. That genie is too far gone to put back in the bottle, but that's the real problem with the online advertising 'ecosystem'. JavaScript enabled pop-up ads, it enables tracking, it ena…

In other words, you can build any program with a Turing-complete language.

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#9

Post by kgwxd » Sat, Jul 27, 2019, 3:24 PM UTC

codingdave wrote: post #5

gergles wrote: post #3

Regrettably, nobody bothers to mention that JavaScript is really what's to blame for all of this. If unnecessary use of JavaScript earned the same sort of derision that "best viewed in IE 6" banners did, we wouldn't be where we are today. That genie is too far gone to put back in the bottle, but that's the real problem with the online advertising 'ecosystem'. JavaScript enabled pop-up ads, it enables tracking, it ena…

JavaScript enables functionality in the same way that cars enable transportation. They aren't the only solution. And there would be far less injury, death, and pollution if we all just didn't use automobiles. The world would be a safer, cleaner place. And a small fraction of people would be happy with it. JavaScript is the same. We'd have a cleaner, safer web without it. And only a small fraction of people would be h…

If only using JavaScript required a license to operate and came with a set of rules enforced by fines and jail time :)

If every browser had done the sane thing from day 1 (no third-party scripts and no cross-domain communication) we wouldn't be in the mess we're in. Sites could still use all the power that comes with scripting, ad networks just wouldn't be feasible.

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#10

Post by grenoire » Sat, Jul 27, 2019, 3:25 PM UTC

In the end, it's an arms race, and I don't think either side is giving up on it anytime soon. The only thing that concerns me is that one side has way too much money, while the other side has way too much time.

Let's see who wins.