Quelle surprise; Tim Cook has acted in a hypercritical and sanctimonious fashion to further the capitalist aims of his company.
I am disappointed in Apple. Very.
Siri records fights, doctor’s appointments, and sex, and contractors hear it
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#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the story is possibly confusing this bit. When recorded, and transmitted to Apple, the location, Apple ID, etc. of the recording device is known. The same (similar) would be true for any voice assistant. When the contractors are reviewing snippets for training purposes, this data is anonymized. In the case of Apple; > Apple has said that it takes steps to protect users from being connected with the recordings…
1% is an unexpectedly high number.
In fairness gp says less than 1%.
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#43Many HNers have a weird belief that Apple is somehow a privacy focused company, despite it actually being no more private than Facebook or Google. The main concern people have (voice assistants beside) is data gathering for ads, which Apple does for their app search, among other places. Also, their data centers are in China, which gives Chinese authorities full access to their iCloud account. If you want privacy, don…
Knowing your users and how they use your software is too big of an advantage, and it seems users doesnt care, or is there a market for users willing to pay for privacy!?
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#44It would be great if people could review what voice recordings were sent to the companies past week. After that people could make a decision whether they want to continue using the product.
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#45Apple is marginally better than the rest at privacy, but their marketing centers around it. If you're naive enough to fall for their marketing, this should be a wake up call.
This, and the zero resistance Apple offers China, when they demand iCloud data of Chinese citizens.
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
Note that while the Google recording data was arguably "anonymized", the reviewers of the leaked recordings were able to in many cases find enough personal information to contact the people recorded. Which means they were not, in fact, anonymized. "We let ordinary Flemish people hear some of their own recordings. ‘This is undeniably my own voice’, says one man, clearly surprised." "A couple from Waasmunster immediate…
It's largely impossible to anonymize data you don't understand, isn't it? They have somebody transcribe the recording because they don't know what it said, so they can't know whether PII is in there. I suppose they might try to split it into multiple parts and have different people work on each part, but that may lead to problems, as you need the full sentence as context in some cases.
This. There's a nice paradox. Until the AI is good enough to understand the voice data, it can't know that it isn't privacy-violating -- up to and including extremes like somebody telling their most intimate secrets. Exposing this data to any other human, whether a subcontractor or internal employee, is a potential privacy violation, full stop.
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#47This may be tangential but I’m regularly amazed at how bad Siri is at basic things still. I’ll try to use it for things in front of guests on the HomePod and Siri is embarrassing half of the time
In my situation, I noticed having a Bluetooth equipment paired made micro interruptions that made the voice impossible to understand. I noticed it when I called some friends and they told me.
Since unpairing the bluetooth, Siri is performant.
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#48Re: Siri records fights, doctor’s appointments, and sex, and contractors hear it
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
As an aside, it’s highly ignorant to refer to pedophilia as a “crime”. Please be aware that pedophilia is not in fact a crime at all. It in fact refers to the attraction one had toward pre-pubescent children. Be aware that this is entirely different than being a child rapist. I assume you meant to say “child rapists” in your statement. In the same way it’s generally accepted that homosexuals and heterosexuals don’t c…
> One could say they’re “cursed” to be given that sexual preference they were born with. Were they, though? I did some light research for a university course many years ago and from what I understand/remember, many pedophiles were themselves abused in their childhood, which can really mess up a developing brain. Still cursed, just in a slightly different even more tragic way.
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#50> “These recordings are accompanied by user data showing location, contact details, and app data.” This should be in the title. Media was focusing on contractors listening to Google Assistant snippets not long ago — and those were anonymized . Private and identifying information was in the snippets, not metadata (the article mentioned this).
Note that while the Google recording data was arguably "anonymized", the reviewers of the leaked recordings were able to in many cases find enough personal information to contact the people recorded. Which means they were not, in fact, anonymized. "We let ordinary Flemish people hear some of their own recordings. ‘This is undeniably my own voice’, says one man, clearly surprised." "A couple from Waasmunster immediate…
Another factor here: there aren't so many Flemish speakers, so the probability of a recording being reviewed by someone who can identify the speaker is much higher.