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How is China able to provide enough food to feed over 1B people?

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Re: How is China able to provide enough food to feed over 1B people?

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I enjoyed having my perspective on China as a country expanded; I don't hear many positive things about it, and the environmental focus is genuinely refreshing, in stark contrast to my own country's idiocy in that department. With that said, nothing outweighs their government's human rights violations. Nothing. I know the U.S. has some of its own, but not to an extremity nor scale nor public acceptance that comes any…

The very existence of America is a human rights violation, vis-a-vis the original inhabitants and African slavery. Not to mention the multitude of similar abuses those same Europeans caused over the rest of the world. China's violations are certainly serious, but it's just not comparable to the sheer extent of the West's.

> the original inhabitants

could say the same about China's history, how many ethnic groups have been genocided because they didn't want to be ruled by the Han

Re: How is China able to provide enough food to feed over 1B people?

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It has absolutely nothing to do with the answer, however. Xinjiang and Tibet are complicated, China has obviously improved their economies and has obviously trampled on human rights. Both of those things can easily coexist (the same could be said about western colonialism, one doesn’t excuse the other). The western media does report those things, it’s just that the Chinese media only focuses on those pieces from the…

Re-reading my comment, I should have actually written “I don’t disagree with you that the two can coexist, but only in certain contexts”. I’m of the opinion that it’s impossible to achieve economic progress with social upheaval, threats of separatism and terrorist attacks. Economic progress is incompatible with the others. It's the extreme poverty and lack of economic opportunities which drive destabilizing forces su…

It didn’t really work for the British, it didn’t work for the Afrikaners, it didn’t really work for the Americans, why do the Chinese think they will get it right?

Re: How is China able to provide enough food to feed over 1B people?

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post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I enjoyed having my perspective on China as a country expanded; I don't hear many positive things about it, and the environmental focus is genuinely refreshing, in stark contrast to my own country's idiocy in that department. With that said, nothing outweighs their government's human rights violations. Nothing. I know the U.S. has some of its own, but not to an extremity nor scale nor public acceptance that comes any…

The very existence of America is a human rights violation, vis-a-vis the original inhabitants and African slavery. Not to mention the multitude of similar abuses those same Europeans caused over the rest of the world. China's violations are certainly serious, but it's just not comparable to the sheer extent of the West's.

The Dzungar People might disagree, if they were not killed off: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzungar_genocide

Re: How is China able to provide enough food to feed over 1B people?

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The country I don't understand how they do it is Bangladesh. A country the size of New York State with 164 million people. (50% of the US population). As I understand it, they generate 90% of the food they require.

The answers below are misleading by omission. While being on a river delta makes for fertile land, Bangladesh was nowhere near food independent a few decades ago. It was made so due to modern crop varieties and modern farming methods:

> During the last two decades and a half, important changes occurred in the realm of rice production and profitability. First, the cost of producing rice is several times higher than potato but the rate of profit is more than double for potato. Second, the yield of wheat, jute and potato has increased over time but the yield of rice has almost doubled from 2.16 t/ha in 1988 to 3.7 t/ha in 2000 and about 4.6 t/ha in 2014.

More than a factor of almost four increase in the yield of a staple crop that has been grown in that region for a thousand years is a technological miracle.

Re: How is China able to provide enough food to feed over 1B people?

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The country I don't understand how they do it is Bangladesh. A country the size of New York State with 164 million people. (50% of the US population). As I understand it, they generate 90% of the food they require.

A slight sea level rise will cripple farming in a large part of Bangladesh. I'm not optimistic about their future.

Re: How is China able to provide enough food to feed over 1B people?

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The country I don't understand how they do it is Bangladesh. A country the size of New York State with 164 million people. (50% of the US population). As I understand it, they generate 90% of the food they require.

A slight sea level rise will cripple farming in a large part of Bangladesh. I'm not optimistic about their future.

What can we do as computer scientists to best militate this risk and protect human life?

Re: How is China able to provide enough food to feed over 1B people?

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Well simple really, there are still many shitty governments out there and not much of anything that we can do about it. worse is when they get sufficient weaponry it pretty much puts them off limits for any intervention and in some cases lets them blackmail others. look at Venezuela and even North Korea, then look who supports these regimes that allow the governments of each to keep themselves in power. We cannot do…

You are probably very young if you believe that fantasy. Who is this "we" that it's so worried about the welfare of humanity? Read about the interventions of first Europe and then the USA in the global affairs. You can check how sugar, then cotton and later oil interest have shaped the world. Or even fruit (1). (1) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Fruit_Company

This one book is filled with so much information. Hands down one of my favourite books. If you ever wanted to understand how sugar shaped the world.

https://www.amazon.ca/Sugar-Barons-Family-Corruption-Empire/...

Re: How is China able to provide enough food to feed over 1B people?

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A slight sea level rise will cripple farming in a large part of Bangladesh. I'm not optimistic about their future.

What can we do as computer scientists to best militate this risk and protect human life?

Almost certainly, nothing. Wrong skill set.

Re: How is China able to provide enough food to feed over 1B people?

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Japan has 50% more coastline than the United States. Where I sit, 1000km from an ocean, seafood is pretty remote. Sure, it gets flown in and flash frozen isn't horrible, but it isn't fresh.

A lot seafood is flash frozen these days, even next to the coast and even in japan. It’s just the best way to deal with parasites. I don’t think you can eat sashimi in the USA that hasn’t been flash frozen.

lake/river fish usually have parasites and must be cooked.

I was under the impression that ocean fish don't have the same level of parasites.

You would never eat a catfish raw.

Re: How is China able to provide enough food to feed over 1B people?

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> I bet the typical human knows very little about life and culture outside of their specific environment. A typical city-dweller knows little about rural life even in their own region, and vice-versa. I think this is certainly true, but at the same time, I've never met an American (even an otherwise 'uneducated' one), who was under the impression that London or Berlin are backwoods villages that struggle to keep the…

When the US was a backwoods nation, London and Berlin were world capitals, and Hong Kong was a backwater fishing village, so American culture does not have the same ingrained respect for Hong Kong that it does for European cities. That being said, I don't know if you are using Hong Kong as a stand in for major Chinese cities, but Hong Kong emigres make up a disproportionate amount of ethnic Chinese American immigrant…

At the founding of the US, China was the #1 economy in the world. This view of the world among Europeans is partially based of racism and racist accounts of the world going unchecked.

The most investment-worthy economies on the planet have been in Asia for the past couple centuries (if you understand buying the dip), this fact is an economic threat to Europeans with a zero-sum view of global capitalism (has been for at least 2 centuries). The rest writes itself....

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