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The Library Card Project: The Ease of Forming Anonymous Companies in the U.S.

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Re: The Library Card Project: The Ease of Forming Anonymous Companies in the U.S.

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I don't see any particular reason why the identification process for a corporation should be more stringent than a library card. What is astonishing to me is that both are meaningfully more stringent than voting. In Minnesota for example, all one needs is another registered voter to vouch for them. https://www.sos.state.mn.us/elections-voting/register-to-vot...

In Minnesota for example, all one needs is another registered voter to vouch for them. My thoughts on this are old school. Like 1700's old school. A person's right to vote exists with or without documentation. A piece of paper, an entry in a ledger, or a row in a database has no bearing on whether that right exists, or should be exercised. In many of the states where I've lived (13 so far), all that was needed to vot…

Your thoughts are not old school at all. The Constitution initially left it up to the states to determine who was eligible to vote and most states restricted voting to white, male, property owners - thus requiring a deed of property to register. NJ was pretty progressive allowing women to vote if they had property.

Identification and Soviet papers are two completely different things. In the Soviet Union and in China until very recently even your travel was restricted by your papers. They weren't just identification, they literally defined where you could go. There is no comparison with a simple, national ID system like the one used in India.

Our voting system was largely based on community to enforce voting rights. Meaning you live a small town, everyone knows who you are, and if you aren't supposed to vote you won't get away with it because everyone knows everyone. Today even in small towns many people have no idea who their neighbors are.

Your notion on voting rights runs contrary to the concept of citizenship in general, is quite recent, and radical. There is nothing old school about it.

I believe the minimum criteria to vote is citizenship. To ensure that only citizens are voting, some paper, ledger, or row in a database must exist somewhere and a means to check that criteria must exist.

Oh and letting politicians decide after the fact whose votes count is recipe for disaster.

Re: The Library Card Project: The Ease of Forming Anonymous Companies in the U.S.

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post #4

I don't see any particular reason why the identification process for a corporation should be more stringent than a library card. What is astonishing to me is that both are meaningfully more stringent than voting. In Minnesota for example, all one needs is another registered voter to vouch for them. https://www.sos.state.mn.us/elections-voting/register-to-vot...

In Minnesota for example, all one needs is another registered voter to vouch for them. My thoughts on this are old school. Like 1700's old school. A person's right to vote exists with or without documentation. A piece of paper, an entry in a ledger, or a row in a database has no bearing on whether that right exists, or should be exercised. In many of the states where I've lived (13 so far), all that was needed to vot…

It’s not unusual among modern democracies for voters to provide proof of identity. We’re (and the UK?) the outliers in that, so no, I think it’s unrelated to authoritarianism. It’s got more to do with ensuring integrity of votes.

India, Mexico, Argentina, Germany, Taiwan, Brazil, Iceland, Costa Rica, etc, require it. Among Americans all major demographics show majority support for voter ID reqs.

Re: The Library Card Project: The Ease of Forming Anonymous Companies in the U.S.

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post #8

This comparison is stupid. Corporate registration is explicitly public information. Librarians are notorious for the fervency with which they protect the personal information of library patrons.

If information is collected then it can be stolen. Even if it is not permanently (or even temporarily) stored.

Re: The Library Card Project: The Ease of Forming Anonymous Companies in the U.S.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Minnesota for example, all one needs is another registered voter to vouch for them. My thoughts on this are old school. Like 1700's old school. A person's right to vote exists with or without documentation. A piece of paper, an entry in a ledger, or a row in a database has no bearing on whether that right exists, or should be exercised. In many of the states where I've lived (13 so far), all that was needed to vot…

Do you think voting should be limited to citizens of the country? Or that each person should only get 1 vote? If so that seems impossible to implement without requiring identification, if not that seems tantamount to infringing on people's right to vote, if someone can vote twice against me while I only get 1 vote because I'm following the rules then that means my vote effectively wasn't counted.

> Or that each person should only get 1 vote?

What’s wrong with just dipping someone’s finger in ink?

Re: The Library Card Project: The Ease of Forming Anonymous Companies in the U.S.

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post #27

reminds me of other reading from today. You can get a US National (healthcare) Provider Identifier (NPI) without any verification: > @Aetna @Cigna @UHC 27/ Medicare officials declined to be interviewed about Williams. But in a statement, they acknowledged that the agency doesn’t verify whether an NPI applicant is a medical provider or has a criminal history. https://twitter.com/marshall_allen/status/11522436149505761…

I'm a doctor. This is insane. Usually I prescribe electronically, but there have also been times I had to call a pharmacy or just walk in and in either case all I have to do is verbally give my NPI number. (not for controlled substances)

All those years of study... /s

Re: The Library Card Project: The Ease of Forming Anonymous Companies in the U.S.

#48

I don't see the problem with this. With a library card, a person can act irresponsibly with public property. With a corporation, a person can act irresponsibly with private property.

If the scope of potential damage were limited to the assets owned by said corporation, perhaps. In reality, a corporation so isolated would have no reason to exist.

In reality, a corporation with no documentation or operating history will have a hard time getting access to other people's assets. The requirements to actually operate a corporation are a lot more stringent than the requirements to create one on paper.

Re: The Library Card Project: The Ease of Forming Anonymous Companies in the U.S.

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post #27

reminds me of other reading from today. You can get a US National (healthcare) Provider Identifier (NPI) without any verification: > @Aetna @Cigna @UHC 27/ Medicare officials declined to be interviewed about Williams. But in a statement, they acknowledged that the agency doesn’t verify whether an NPI applicant is a medical provider or has a criminal history. https://twitter.com/marshall_allen/status/11522436149505761…

NPI: National (healthcare) Provider Identifier.

https://www.asha.org/practice/reimbursement/hipaa/NPI/

Re: The Library Card Project: The Ease of Forming Anonymous Companies in the U.S.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Minnesota for example, all one needs is another registered voter to vouch for them. My thoughts on this are old school. Like 1700's old school. A person's right to vote exists with or without documentation. A piece of paper, an entry in a ledger, or a row in a database has no bearing on whether that right exists, or should be exercised. In many of the states where I've lived (13 so far), all that was needed to vot…

> My thoughts on this are old school. Like 1700's old school. A person's right to vote exists with or without documentation. A piece of paper, an entry in a ledger, or a row in a database has no bearing on whether that right exists, or should be exercised. How do we ensure non-citizens aren’t voting? We accept many visitors - refugees, H1B, tourists, F1/I-20, etc. None are granted voting rights.

We make it a felony.

"“She can own property; she can serve in the military; she can get a job; she can pay taxes. But she can’t vote, and she didn’t know that.”"

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/10/us/illegal-voting-gets-te...

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