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Europe's record heat wave moves toward Greenland

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Re: Europe's record heat wave moves toward Greenland

#11

The biggest problem IMO is that people don't seem to be able grasp that governments simply cannot solve this. Only when there is that general understanding can people stop focusing on government as the path to solving this. Unfortunately however almost everyone focuses on government and elections which is simply wasting more time.

You have a better solution for complex game theoretic coordination problems of this sort?

Re: Europe's record heat wave moves toward Greenland

#12
IIRC there's around 7m of sea level rise tied up in Greenland ice, and it's already melting remarkably quickly. Now add the wildfires and it seems like it's escalating dangerously out of control.

While a tipping point tips, government action is still conspicuously absent, and countries (well Russia and Canada mainly) are trying to nail their continental shelf claims in the Arctic for oil exploration.

Re: Europe's record heat wave moves toward Greenland

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post #11

The biggest problem IMO is that people don't seem to be able grasp that governments simply cannot solve this. Only when there is that general understanding can people stop focusing on government as the path to solving this. Unfortunately however almost everyone focuses on government and elections which is simply wasting more time.

You have a better solution for complex game theoretic coordination problems of this sort?

No, except to bring to peoples attention that government has failed and is failing and will continue to fail to solve this.

Re: Europe's record heat wave moves toward Greenland

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post #4

This seems like the perfect time to panic. I just don’t see how we’re getting out of this alive.

> I just don’t see how we’re getting out of this alive.

Even worst case predictions for climate change don't imply the human race will be threatened. But what we will see is massive geopolitical disruption as previously habitable regions become uninhabitable. What happens when coastal Myanmar is underwater or southern India experiences 130 degree days on a regular basis? Climate change is going to make itself felt over the coming decades as increases in migrant crises, regional conflicts, and famines. (Not to mention economic loss as, e.g., the agricultural viability of large areas changes.)

Re: Europe's record heat wave moves toward Greenland

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post #10

The biggest problem IMO is that people don't seem to be able grasp that governments simply cannot solve this. Only when there is that general understanding can people stop focusing on government as the path to solving this. Unfortunately however almost everyone focuses on government and elections which is simply wasting more time.

Governments are the only people who can enact laws to move large numbers of people as a group to act.

Well that certainty is what I am challenging.

And your response is precisely the problem - people think only government can solve this. But government has not, will not and cannot solve it.

We need to move beyond government as the solution.

The first step in that is to loosen up your certainty that only via government can anything large scale happen.

Re: Europe's record heat wave moves toward Greenland

#17

The biggest problem IMO is that people don't seem to be able grasp that governments simply cannot solve this. Only when there is that general understanding can people stop focusing on government as the path to solving this. Unfortunately however almost everyone focuses on government and elections which is simply wasting more time.

Individual action cannot convert to zero carbon generation, make treaties, implement carbon taxes, require impact labelling or ban unsustainable methods.

Governments are the only ones with the necessary leverage. Even if we have to wait for some country to elect a Green party government, or there be enough XR style demonstrations disrupting the economy that they have to act.

Re: Europe's record heat wave moves toward Greenland

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post #4

This seems like the perfect time to panic. I just don’t see how we’re getting out of this alive.

Musk should spin his boring company as underground housing construction. I don't think we'll have time for BFR production to escape to Mars

Re: Europe's record heat wave moves toward Greenland

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post #4

This seems like the perfect time to panic. I just don’t see how we’re getting out of this alive.

I'm on your wavelength. The biggest, most gigantic problem, amongst many, is that the food supply seems in serious danger.

food, water, shelter, space..

right now the most important is leader, but that's a concept not a thing

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