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IRS sends warning letters to more than 10k cryptocurrency holders

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This will be a very unpopular opinion, but it is true: USA is much better than 200 years ago; if 200 years ago you were a slave, 100% of your output belonged to your master. Now your government owns only 40-50% of your output and you feel totally free. The only bad thing is that almost 100% of the population is now a half-slave. You don't chose what to pay, how much and what for, you just have to pay up, or else. Yes…

How is that different than any other country? You pay what the government says you owe, you get what the government says you get.

Re: IRS sends warning letters to more than 10k cryptocurrency holders

#272

This will be a very unpopular opinion, but it is true: USA is much better than 200 years ago; if 200 years ago you were a slave, 100% of your output belonged to your master. Now your government owns only 40-50% of your output and you feel totally free. The only bad thing is that almost 100% of the population is now a half-slave. You don't chose what to pay, how much and what for, you just have to pay up, or else. Yes…

This is just foolishness. Are some rich people still exploiting others and rigging the system? Sure. But chattel slavery was an extraordinary evil. It's at best vacuous to put it in the same moral bucket as a democracy where people vote to, say, make sure old people don't starve in the streets.

USA was a democracy also before Abraham Lincoln. Voting to take 50% of regular Joe's income does not make it right, like voting to kill Joe or voting anything that affects Joe, no matter how nice is the "cause" used as an excuse.

Re: IRS sends warning letters to more than 10k cryptocurrency holders

#273

This will be a very unpopular opinion, but it is true: USA is much better than 200 years ago; if 200 years ago you were a slave, 100% of your output belonged to your master. Now your government owns only 40-50% of your output and you feel totally free. The only bad thing is that almost 100% of the population is now a half-slave. You don't chose what to pay, how much and what for, you just have to pay up, or else. Yes…

How is that different than any other country? You pay what the government says you owe, you get what the government says you get.

Many other countries did not have slavery at all. Others have no income tax on citizens. Is that different enough?

Re: IRS sends warning letters to more than 10k cryptocurrency holders

#274

This will be a very unpopular opinion, but it is true: USA is much better than 200 years ago; if 200 years ago you were a slave, 100% of your output belonged to your master. Now your government owns only 40-50% of your output and you feel totally free. The only bad thing is that almost 100% of the population is now a half-slave. You don't chose what to pay, how much and what for, you just have to pay up, or else. Yes…

Yeah, makes sense to me.

But you can move stuff out of government reach. If you're wealthy enough to afford good counsel, you can do it ~legally. As Apple, for example, does. Or you can do it illegally. Just don't count on Switzerland or Panama anymore.

And even little people like me can manage it. Using anonymous personas and well-mixed Bitcoin (or whatever). You just can't bring it back to meatspace, without risking deanonymization.

Re: IRS sends warning letters to more than 10k cryptocurrency holders

#275

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This is why "lying to investigators" is such a bs charge. It's incredibly easy to do what you think is the right thing but still "lie" because you didn't know/understand all the facts, implications, and details. Always, always, always, get qualified legal/accounting counsel involved. No, your uncle the family law attorney is not qualified.

I like to post this video a couple times a year, because it's so relevant and on point. It's also quite entertaining. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE

Yes, it’s an absolute classic video. Even as a non-US resident, I find it fascinating. His delivery is quite exceptional too

Re: IRS sends warning letters to more than 10k cryptocurrency holders

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So the real question is, what exchange can I use as an American that doesn't report to the IRS?

It's tricky to see into the future so an exchange like bitfinex might not report now but a court case next year might cause them to decide to.

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Another word of advice: The standards of the FDA and the IRS are very different, and the FDA is used to corporations acting maliciously while limiting liability for those involved. The IRS on the other hand with these kinds of notices is not out to get you, and I don't believe I've ever heard of someone being charged with perjury for signing an IRS document that wasn't true (and they genuinely thought it was true), e…

> The IRS on the other hand with these kinds of notices is not out to get you. Citation needed. The IRS can be among the most vicious of any federal agency. Having dealt with FATCA situations with overseas Americans, Treasury is, in my experience, nobody’s friend.

The IRS is in the business of getting money for the federal government. People in federal prison don't have much in the way of income, nor do they pay much in the way of taxes. They're a net drain on the federal budget.

The IRS will generally take the most effective tack it can in getting the money it is owed. For honest mistakes, that usually means sending you a formal notice that it believes you are out of compliance and requesting that you pay them. If you pay them, all is forgiven. If you can show to their satisfaction, with supporting documentation, that you don't actually owe the money, all is forgiven. (I once got a notice that I owed $11K because of some stock sales I'd forgotten to report and education credits they didn't believe I was entitled to; after producing documentation on the cost basis of these sales, a course transcript from the educational institution, and an amended tax return, the total was reduced to $50, I enclosed a check for that, and I got a notice back that the matter was closed.) If you try to pull any funny business or argue with them and your arguments are not backed up in fact, they will viciously hound you until you pay the money that you owe.

Re: IRS sends warning letters to more than 10k cryptocurrency holders

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So the real question is, what exchange can I use as an American that doesn't report to the IRS?

No, the real question is how much is it to set up a "trust" or some other bullshit entity in the US Virgin Islands and do all your trading that way - completely legal, completely tax-free, just like the 1%.

It's not legal for Americans to completely avoid taxes simply by operating in a jurisdiction with different tax laws. You still have to report your foreign income to the IRS, you still have to pay taxes to the IRS. If you try to take the extreme step of acquiring a citizenship elsewhere and then renouncing your US citizenship, you even have to pay taxes to do that. The notion that "tax shelter" countries are a way to get around personal tax obligations is simply wrong. There are tax benefits, and plenty of people try to hide money this way, but it's not some magical solution that legally removes your tax obligation.

Re: IRS sends warning letters to more than 10k cryptocurrency holders

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Never, ever talk to the authorities directly. Always hire an attorney. Exercise your fifth amendment rights.

This is so overkill. What if I am just moving and reporting my new address? What if I am 20 years old and never had any income?

People parrot that line to sound edgy and virtuous, not because they've thought through the implications.
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