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Japan approves first human-animal embryo experiments

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Re: Japan approves first human-animal embryo experiments

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post #6

Yeah America has all the moral debates about genetics and experiments with embryos. But the bottom line is other countries are going to move forward no matter what America does.

While I disagree with the US's stance, ignoring your morals because other countries are doing something would be a race to the bottom.

What if those morals are evil?

(Philosophical question I suppose)

Re: Japan approves first human-animal embryo experiments

#22
post #6

Yeah America has all the moral debates about genetics and experiments with embryos. But the bottom line is other countries are going to move forward no matter what America does.

This isn't really a problem. America can just wait for somebody else to take the risk and show the benefit, and then popular opinion would change. And we have the back-bench to develop these technologies once somebody has shown it possible.

note that many parts of the US enthusiastically adopted stem cell technology (https://www.cirm.ca.gov/about-cirm/history) but unfortunately federal-level policies set by conservative leaders have ameliorated the ambitious plans of that project.

Re: Japan approves first human-animal embryo experiments

#23
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I disagree with the US's stance, ignoring your morals because other countries are doing something would be a race to the bottom.

What if those morals are evil? (Philosophical question I suppose)

What if the other side's morals are evil? What even is evil? Is there an objective "evil"?

Re: Japan approves first human-animal embryo experiments

#24

I worry about allowing Japan, a country that has refused to fully own up to the biomedical atrocities it committed with Unit 731, to lead the way on these kinds of experiments. I would feel much more comfortable if there was international ethical oversight.

1945 was a long time ago and a very different Japan... We don't still force Germany to have caps on its army.

>1945 was a long time ago and a very different Japan

Japan is currently sanctioning Samsung because it wants to avoid responsibility for WW2 sexual slavery.

Re: Japan approves first human-animal embryo experiments

#25

I worry about allowing Japan, a country that has refused to fully own up to the biomedical atrocities it committed with Unit 731, to lead the way on these kinds of experiments. I would feel much more comfortable if there was international ethical oversight.

1945 was a long time ago and a very different Japan... We don't still force Germany to have caps on its army.

> We don't still force Germany to have caps on its army.

You pacified the German psyche so thoroughly that the Germans do it themselves now.

Re: Japan approves first human-animal embryo experiments

#26
post #2

grow human organs inside rats and? how does that work? i don't understand. meanwhile we are entering the sixt mass extinction event caused by a massive climate change. what good is this technology when you have failing crops, extreme weather, no electricity and mass immigration at your doorstep?

For human organs the most likely host species is pig. Pigs are big enough and apparently quite similar to us. And also the slaughter of hundreds of millions of them every year is already well accepted...

...and for something far less exalted than curing people of diabetes.

:/

Re: Japan approves first human-animal embryo experiments

#27
post #6

Yeah America has all the moral debates about genetics and experiments with embryos. But the bottom line is other countries are going to move forward no matter what America does.

According to the article, these experiments have already been done in the US before.

Not these experiments, similar experiments.

Re: Japan approves first human-animal embryo experiments

#28
post #6

Yeah America has all the moral debates about genetics and experiments with embryos. But the bottom line is other countries are going to move forward no matter what America does.

While I disagree with the US's stance, ignoring your morals because other countries are doing something would be a race to the bottom.

> ignoring your morals

If those morals say people should die instead of getting the organ transplants they need, maybe we are better off ignoring such morals.

Re: Japan approves first human-animal embryo experiments

#29
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Assuming the Japanese don't have debates on bioethics. Nice.

He didn't assume that. Also, you're making the internet a worse place by accusing him of doing that. You should feel bad.

“Hate cannot drive out hate, only love can do that.”

Re: Japan approves first human-animal embryo experiments

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

For human organs the most likely host species is pig. Pigs are big enough and apparently quite similar to us. And also the slaughter of hundreds of millions of them every year is already well accepted...

...and for something far less exalted than curing people of diabetes. :/

Well exactly. If we are fine breeding so many for meat, breeding a few more to cure serious illnesses or even to save lives should not raise problems in public opinion.
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