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Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by landryraccoon »

krona wrote: post #77
walligatorrr wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

France was a founding member of ECSC proposed by Robert Schuman, french prime minister, created by the Paris treaty and regarded as the premise of nowadays European union and expanded to up to 28 countries. France played an instrumental/leading role in building the very idea of a community of nations in europe. The contributions of that country toward European institutions are literally countless, but let’s name a fe…

building the very idea of a community of nations in europe Like the League of Nations? And every other (defunt) supranational institution all the way back to Napoleon?

Your point is that since it wasn’t able to work before, it’ll never work? I mean, Leonardo Da Vinci wasn’t able to build a working flying machine, does that mean the Wrights were dumb to think they would succeed where Leonardo failed?

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by yyyk »

tomxor wrote: post #29
malka wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

as a french, I cant wait for them to be out. They spent the last 50 years trying to sabotage the EU. They want to leave ? Good riddance.

> They want to leave ? Good riddance. As citizens at least, it's pretty well understood that in majority we don't want to leave, one half definitely doesn't, the other half are mostly a combination of naive, manipulated and coerced based on false claims and social media, some portion are not manipulated or naive but have settled on some narrow view of a very large and complex decision... and finally the minority (the…

it's like having a referendum for "Do you want lower taxes" without saying exactly how

There's no reasonable way to ask voters complex questions, which is why most countries have representative democracy and not a direct democracy. The only possible way to ask the voters those types of questions has to be a very simple choice, and than let government/parliament sort that out.

As an external observer, it looks to me like its the UK political class which looks most ridiculous here, more than voters of either persuasion. Parliament has so far voted against all possible options for the UK (including another referendum), the equivalent of putting fingers in their ears. Nothing good can come from that, not until they say what they do want.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by nmstoker »

cromulent wrote: post #120
bonjurkes wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It also includes information of 3rd world country citizens'. Like passport info, photos, fingerprints, their visit to Schengen countries. When you apply for visa for Schengen countries, your info will be recorded on SIS. And stored there for 5 years. Note: EU uses the term "3rd world country" term themselves and Im citizen of one of those countries.

The EU uses the term "third country" which means a country that is not part of the union. https://www.eurofound.europa.eu/observatories/eurwork/indust...

Well done posting that link. This topic seems to have brought out a lot of (unnecessary) confusion in the comments!

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by cat199 »

tomxor wrote: post #29
malka wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

as a french, I cant wait for them to be out. They spent the last 50 years trying to sabotage the EU. They want to leave ? Good riddance.

> They want to leave ? Good riddance. As citizens at least, it's pretty well understood that in majority we don't want to leave, one half definitely doesn't, the other half are mostly a combination of naive, manipulated and coerced based on false claims and social media, some portion are not manipulated or naive but have settled on some narrow view of a very large and complex decision... and finally the minority (the…

so, you are saying: "clearly, those that disagree with me are misinformed and of lesser intellect" ?

isn't that itself intellectual capitulation?

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by jotm »

While this is bad and they should increase the security of this data, for now, I don't see how it would affect EU citizens.

Any ideas?

If you applied for a visa to the US, they already have your photo and fingerprints (hell, they had mine before my own country, before biometric passports). If not, what can they possibly do with that information?

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by NeedMoreTea »

cat199 wrote: post #130
HenryBemis wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

UK has been actively acting on USA's interests for decades, nothing new here. I am a foreigner living in the and it saddens me, but you can't keep someone in a union by force. UK economy will probably get damaged but it will recover (in a couple of decades) and we will all have to thank a) David Cameron, b) BoJo, c) the voters of "Leave" for that.

> UK has been actively acting on USA's interests for decades can't one say this isn't the other way around? bretton woods was basically a joint us+uk project, most macroeconomic policy & related geopolitics in the west (including EU) post wwII stems from this.. us is basically fighting iran overtly or covertly on behalf of the UK, and vietnam was massively in the french interest as some 'small' examples..

That's a very charitable view. Bretton Woods was the US (mostly Harry White's) rejection of Keynes' plan and the best that could then be agreed. As a result it has a very US flavour. Not especially surprising considering most nations were near bankruptcy at the time with the sole exception of the USA. What resulted in the shape of the IMF and World bank was far different to envisaged and provided none of the speculative and recession control.

History has mostly backed up Keynes' opinion, though it worked sort-of reasonably until Nixon abandoned the gold standard.

Edit: Far more of the last 40 years geopolitics and economics stems from the oil crisis and the chaos of the immediately following years than Bretton Woods.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by miahi »

zoobab wrote: post #72
miahi wrote: post #7

The title is incorrect. The Schengen Information System does not keep data for "all EU citizens", it only keeps such data for wanted persons, missing/stolen identity documents or objects (like cars, boats and so on). There is no centralized database for EU citizens photos or fingerprints (not even at national level in many countries).

Is it enough to remove the "all"? I understand not all EU citizens were in the database.

I would say it's more generic than that. Not all the data is for EU citizens, and not all the data has photos and fingerprints. What dangerface quoted from the euobserver[1] seems to be the best approach, maybe make it shorter... As I said in another comment, I would emphasize more on the "classified" than "personal information", but that's only me (I would say Facebook has way more info on "normal" people than what's in the SIS database).

There's also the issue of "copied to US", which was not demonstrated. It's really hard to keep all the US companies out of the SIS when you are using an Oracle database.

I would put it like this: "UK made illegal copies of classified personal information from the Schengen Information System"

[1] https://euobserver.com/justice/145530

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by miahi »

hestefisk wrote: post #17

As a Danish citizen I’m deeply concerned about this and am strongly considering an FoIA request and lawsuit for lack of disclosure... if this is really true.

As the data in the SIS is classified, it's not covered by FoIA or GDPR requests.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by miahi »

cromulent wrote: post #124
dangerface wrote: post #116

> UK made illegal copies of classified personal information from a database reserved for members of the passport-free Schengen travel zone. The UK is not in the Schengen travel zone and had no right to be accessing the data or sharing it with other foreign powers. The problem is that too much power is collected in one place that encourages bad actors to weaken security so that they can later do a grab and dash with "…

The UK has a special arrangement to see the stolen vehicles, arrest warrants, etc. It can't see the Schengen entry / non entry alerts. https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/border...

Not all person alerts are entry/no entry alerts, so they don't access (or don't react to) a small subset of the person data.
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