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Re: “My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanctions as I live in Crimea”

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Post by helge9210 »

wil421 wrote: post #273
jMyles wrote: post #56

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Their Github Pages page was censored. They are unable to participate in the maintenance of an open source repository. This was done, according to Github, as a requirement to comply with the laws of its state. If that's not a free speech issue, there are no free speech issues.

Free speech applies to the US. Last time I checked Crimea was in Russia. US companies have to follow US law. I worked for a company that was fined because they still had employees working in Syria when the war started.

It's not in Russia. It's in Ukraine under Russian occupation. This is the reason for embargo.

Re: “My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanctions as I live in Crimea”

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Post by PunchTornado »

coliveira wrote: post #106
hihi123 wrote: post #100

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Why are you referring to Crimea as a victim? Their desire to leave the Ukraine has been well-documented since the beginning. See this amusing article from 1994 in the NYT for an example [1]: > A separatist candidate who wants Crimea to leave Ukraine and integrate with Russia won more than 70 percent of the vote today in run-off presidential elections, preliminary results showed. His victory sets the stage for a direc…

If, as you say, people want to be part of Russia, what is the difference? Do they need to be punished for wanting to be part of another country?

if their rights are respected I don't agree with it. See Catalonia and Spain. I don't agree with it because people in Barcelona have every right.

However look and HK and China. I definetely agree for HK to be independent after a referendum.

Re: “My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanctions as I live in Crimea”

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Post by wil421 »

helge9210 wrote: post #291
wil421 wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Free speech applies to the US. Last time I checked Crimea was in Russia. US companies have to follow US law. I worked for a company that was fined because they still had employees working in Syria when the war started.

It's not in Russia. It's in Ukraine under Russian occupation. This is the reason for embargo.

Russia will give it back? They are still occupying parts of Georgia.

Re: “My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanctions as I live in Crimea”

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Post by einpoklum »

kragen wrote: post #6

During the Cold War, the primary thing that distinguished the US side from the USSR side was that, while speech by USSR people and people sympathetic to the USSR (like, say, CPUSA) was published in the US, publishing speech sympathetic to the US in the USSR would get you arrested. It seems like the US has become what the USSR was: companies who publish speech from people in Iran or Crimea are now violating the law by…

Such speech was not barred from publication, but was effectively silenced by commercial mass media - print, radio and television.

Also, let's not forget that Communist Party sympathizers were purged from various domains of social activity - obviously, and that was indirect legal sanction of promoting pro-socialist/pro-USSR content.

Re: “My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanctions as I live in Crimea”

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Post by gdy »

PunchTornado wrote: post #289
gdy wrote: post #248

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The US punishes with sanctions the population of occupied Crimea. Where is the logic in that?

a large part of the Russian community in Crimea supported the annexation. I agree with the sanctions.

I hope you don't mind being considered evil

Re: “My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanctions as I live in Crimea”

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Post by gdy »

Nasrudith wrote: post #279
gdy wrote: post #248

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The US punishes with sanctions the population of occupied Crimea. Where is the logic in that?

The only illogic is that is not having Russia to a similar degree while doing so. The point of the sanctions is to give an extra cost to their ambitions and limit the growth in power of the targetted entries.

Why Russia's ambitions are less legitimate than American ones?

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Post by einpoklum »

rimliu wrote: post #224
nournia wrote: post #213

Thank you GitHub, thank you Microsoft and thank you U.S. for all the love you bestow upon people.

Not thanks to Russia for the occupation?

Nope. That should have no bearing on people's GitHub accounts.

Also, it was an annexation with somewhat-questionable merit rather than an occupation.

Re: “My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanctions as I live in Crimea”

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Post by makomk »

n4r9 wrote: post #249
lazyjones wrote: post #244

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> This is appointed by the European Council and requires approval from the European Parliament. And now let's look at the past 3 presidents: always the same routine, the EP gets presented with 1 candidate and can say yes... or yes. Awesome democracy.

Presented by the European Council, which is made up of directly elected heads of state. It's imperfect, but as someone living in the UK it's no worse than our own system.

The European Council isn't made up of directly elected heads of state, though - most of its members are indirectly elected prime ministers. This makes it the head of the European Commission at least one step further away from the people's influence than in the UK system. What makes this worse is that the European Commission has the exclusive power to propose new laws, whereas in the UK ordinary directly-elected MPs can do this.

Re: “My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanctions as I live in Crimea”

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Post by einpoklum »

gruez wrote: post #46
realusername wrote: post #10

That's exactly the reason why we need to decentralise Github, that's way too much power for a corporation.

Yeah, let's fork the client and make it decentralized[1], and write an open source version of the server[2] so people can host their own instances! [1] https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2/Distributed-Git-Distributed-W... [2] https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org

So, what you're saying is that everyone should just switch to GitLab?

Re: “My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanctions as I live in Crimea”

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Post by n4r9 »

lazyjones wrote: post #266
n4r9 wrote: post #249

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Presented by the European Council, which is made up of directly elected heads of state. It's imperfect, but as someone living in the UK it's no worse than our own system.

I'm not sure comparing with a monarchy is the best effort we can make to judge the merits of the EU political system. ;-) Living in a small, entirely democratic EU country, I can't say I'm impressed with how the Commission was formed and it's also obviously an inferior system to that of the USA.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that that's a joke about the UK being a monarchy in anything but name! Its democratic issues are much more to do with the House of Lords, FPTP voting system and lack of press balance.

The power to directly elect or remove the top spot is certainly an important facet of democracy, maybe even the most important, but it's still just one of many measures. to be honest I don't think it's really that meaningful to talk about one system being "more democratic" than another, or that "entirely democratic" can apply coherently to anything except some kind of anarchist utopia.

That said, there is such a thing as the global [democracy index](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index) in which the US comes well below the UK and plenty of other EU countries. Note that Norway, also a constitutional and hereditary monarchy, tops the list.

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