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Anxiety nightmare comes true for pianist at competition

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Re: Anxiety nightmare comes true for pianist at competition

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The classical example of expecting another piece is when Maria Joao Pires performed in Amsterdam and only during the orchestra introduction figured out her mistake. See her reaction on Youtube [1]. As opposed to the article above, she hadn't performed this piece in over a year. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS64pb0XnbI

This is intense, and I don't listen to classical music regularly.

Re: Anxiety nightmare comes true for pianist at competition

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The classical example of expecting another piece is when Maria Joao Pires performed in Amsterdam and only during the orchestra introduction figured out her mistake. See her reaction on Youtube [1]. As opposed to the article above, she hadn't performed this piece in over a year. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS64pb0XnbI

If (like me) you couldn't hear the conversation in English over the orchestra, I ran the subtitles through Google Translate — though the body language really has to be seen to truly appreciate what was happening...!

PIANIST: "I can't try it. Everything is at home. I didn't take this with me."

CONDUCTOR: "You played that last season. You will probably succeed. You know it so well."

Re: Anxiety nightmare comes true for pianist at competition

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The classical example of expecting another piece is when Maria Joao Pires performed in Amsterdam and only during the orchestra introduction figured out her mistake. See her reaction on Youtube [1]. As opposed to the article above, she hadn't performed this piece in over a year. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS64pb0XnbI

I’m amused that she still looks like she’s feeling despair even while she is seemingly crushing it.

Perhaps I’m missing some nuance though.

Re: Anxiety nightmare comes true for pianist at competition

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The classical example of expecting another piece is when Maria Joao Pires performed in Amsterdam and only during the orchestra introduction figured out her mistake. See her reaction on Youtube [1]. As opposed to the article above, she hadn't performed this piece in over a year. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS64pb0XnbI

I’m amused that she still looks like she’s feeling despair even while she is seemingly crushing it. Perhaps I’m missing some nuance though.

It's a long piece, so she's probably afraid she'll forget a passage later on.

Re: Anxiety nightmare comes true for pianist at competition

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The detail that this article misses is that the unuxpected piece has about 1 second of orchestral warning before the pianist comes in with a dramatic entrance. So Tianxu had about that long to figure out what to do, in contrast to Maria Joao Pires, who had a minute to calm her nerves before playing the wrong Mozart concerto.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srYXtZ26cOk

Re: Anxiety nightmare comes true for pianist at competition

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The classical example of expecting another piece is when Maria Joao Pires performed in Amsterdam and only during the orchestra introduction figured out her mistake. See her reaction on Youtube [1]. As opposed to the article above, she hadn't performed this piece in over a year. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS64pb0XnbI

This is intense, and I don't listen to classical music regularly.

Classical music is supposed to be intense, albeit not necessarily in the "techno" sort of way. You really ought to play it fairly loudly (obviously not to the ear-damaging levels), and the recording needs to have a lot of dynamic range on it to capture it correctly. Classical music played and recorded correctly will use some intensity cues rarely used by modern music like dynamic range.

Where I think it tends to fall down for a modern listener (assuming good recordings, which is not a good assumption) is that it mostly dates from a pre-recording period, so it tends to draw out all of its ideas because it expects the listener can't just rewind and listen to the last few minutes again, and this is the only such music they may hear this month; in modern times this results in a lot of pieces overstaying their welcome. Sometimes by a lot.

For instance, Beethoven's Fifth Symphony is a masterpiece. No question. But... the first movement has a repeat bar around the entire thing. Straight up. Not even a bit of variation in the last couple of bars as often happens. Now, of course, a good conductor and orchestra will play it with some variation even so, it won't literally be simply the exact same sound twice. But even so, it's not something a modern composer is likely to do. (Modern music does do a lot of repetition, but not on this this timescale. Trance a bit, but even then I'd say, it's different; modern trance artists know the modern music playback setups and handle it differently, even if I couldn't exactly describe it. Plus the 5th is definitely not "trance".)

I've sometimes fantasized about going into some of the classical oeuvre and editing it a bit for more modern sensibilities, by doing things like taking out the repeat, and maybe even incorporating some repetition with variation back into the piece, but generally shortening it. Or just generally toning out the repetition in some of the pieces, like, the Moonlight Sonata. Brilliant piece, masterpiece, no question. And the first movement is about 7 minutes to play. In modern times, it's unnecessary long and repetitive. I just listened to it here before posting, and it's not even like it's constantly mutating and changing or anything... it's just, repeating its ideas several times. For the time, great. No sarcasm. I mean that. Today, a bit tedious, because we don't need our repetition built right into our music, we add it with our playback technology if we want it.

I criticize neither classical music, nor modern listening practices in this. I merely observe a significant mismatch. Both have their reasons for what they do.

Also when a lot of people think "classical" what they actually pull up in their mental inventory is "chamber music", which is actually generally designed to be flat and unobtrusive and perhaps even, yes, a bit boring, because it's literally designed to be background music.

One option I like is to listen to music by artists who have clearly been classically trained, but are not producing classic/academic music. Even when such an artist is in the depths of the most electrotechno music possible, seemingly as distant from "classical" as you can get, I still find there's a depth that an non-classically trained artist has a very hard time reaching. (Sometimes they do, but it's rare. Though when they do it's awesome, because that's a truly unique musical experience.)

(In this post I use the slang meaning of "classical" to include all the time frames and almost all uses of dedicated "orchestral" music. I'm not even trying to be precise about "Baroque" or "Romance" or arguing about modern orchestral music.)

Re: Anxiety nightmare comes true for pianist at competition

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post #4

The classical example of expecting another piece is when Maria Joao Pires performed in Amsterdam and only during the orchestra introduction figured out her mistake. See her reaction on Youtube [1]. As opposed to the article above, she hadn't performed this piece in over a year. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS64pb0XnbI

My favorite non-classical example would be this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kpxA-TOLmA

Re: Anxiety nightmare comes true for pianist at competition

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is intense, and I don't listen to classical music regularly.

Classical music is supposed to be intense, albeit not necessarily in the "techno" sort of way. You really ought to play it fairly loudly (obviously not to the ear-damaging levels), and the recording needs to have a lot of dynamic range on it to capture it correctly. Classical music played and recorded correctly will use some intensity cues rarely used by modern music like dynamic range. Where I think it tends to fall…

Another interesting example of technology dictating music style is that in the early days of recording, we could easily pick up horns and voice, but not guitars or other string instruments. This is why earlier recordings basically never used guitars- we literally had different instrumentation to accommodate for this shortcoming.

Re: Anxiety nightmare comes true for pianist at competition

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When I was in junior high, I found out an hour before my percussion auditon that I'd been told to prepare the wrong piece. It ended up being fine (they agreed to judge me on the piece I had prepared, and I even won a seat), but for an eleven-year-old at his first major auditon, it did seem like quite an anxiety nightmare.
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