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Tulsi Gabbard Sues Google for Suspending Ad Account

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Re: Tulsi Gabbard Sues Google for Suspending Ad Account

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Post by delfinom »

rory096 wrote: post #12

Since OP has no actual information, some excerpts from the NYT story: >Tulsi Now Inc., the campaign committee for Ms. Gabbard, said Google suspended the campaign’s advertising account for six hours on June 27 and June 28, obstructing its ability to raise money and spread her message to potential voters. >The lawsuit also said the Gabbard campaign believed its emails were being placed in spam folders on Gmail at “a di…

>The lawsuit also said the Gabbard campaign believed its emails were being placed in spam folders on Gmail at “a disproportionately high rate” when compared with emails from other Democratic candidates.

Or you know, more people spam foldered your junk mail and triggered the algorithim to learn and mark you more globally as spam. Shit, I spam folder anything that is unsolicited, any politicial party.

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Post by rhcom2 »

ctdonath wrote: post #82
slg wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Project Veritas is in no way a reliable source on political issues. Both it and its founder have a long record of being exposed committing fraud.

Project Veritas has a long record of collecting large sums in judgement against those who make such libelous accusations without proof.

I couldn't find any lawsuits they've won, just them getting lawsuits against them dismissed.

And information about James O'Keefe pleading guilty to breaking into a Senator's office.

Re: Tulsi Gabbard Sues Google for Suspending Ad Account

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Post by moultano »

bhk wrote: post #189
moultano wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google does not curate web results, ever. The results for [pelosi drunk] are different certainly, but in what sense are DDG's better? Google has a policy about "sensitive and disparaging terms associated with named individuals" in autocomplete https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/7368877?hl=en which is often why you sometimes may not see the queries in autocomplete that you expect. It also has a policy about "…

I'm sure search results are not curated in the sense that a stock answer is provided for a given query, but I would expect that filtering and ranking of search results involves lists that are curated -- for example, "offensive" words or "disparaging terms", etc.. Since you work on search at Google, maybe you could explain how typing "hillary clinton cri" stopped suggesting the common search term "hillary clinton crim…

Isn't it explained by the policy I just linked? "Jared kushner cr" yields [jared kushner credentials] as a suggestion for me.

Re: Tulsi Gabbard Sues Google for Suspending Ad Account

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Post by moultano »

changchuming wrote: post #190
moultano wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google does not curate web results, ever. The results for [pelosi drunk] are different certainly, but in what sense are DDG's better? Google has a policy about "sensitive and disparaging terms associated with named individuals" in autocomplete https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/7368877?hl=en which is often why you sometimes may not see the queries in autocomplete that you expect. It also has a policy about "…

I think he's talking about actual links to the Christchurch video. They exist, and I'm pretty sure that's what most people who search terms such as "Christchurch video stream" are looking for. I don't think I can believe that Google doesn't censor or re-rank certain "flagged" search results, that just doesn't the smell test.

There are a few situations where Google will remove urls listed here https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/2744324 as well as for spam.

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Post by bhk »

moultano wrote: post #193
bhk wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure search results are not curated in the sense that a stock answer is provided for a given query, but I would expect that filtering and ranking of search results involves lists that are curated -- for example, "offensive" words or "disparaging terms", etc.. Since you work on search at Google, maybe you could explain how typing "hillary clinton cri" stopped suggesting the common search term "hillary clinton crim…

Isn't it explained by the policy I just linked? "Jared kushner cr" yields [jared kushner credentials] as a suggestion for me.

"cri", not "cr". I have two different devices that give different results; one lists "jared kushner crimes".

Since it isn't a matter of a single word (crimes) being flagged as disparaging, this blacklist can apparently be finely tuned to specific prediction results. (Maybe it's not a simple blacklist, but an ML model. Even scarier.)

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Post by moultano »

bhk wrote: post #195
moultano wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't it explained by the policy I just linked? "Jared kushner cr" yields [jared kushner credentials] as a suggestion for me.

"cri", not "cr". I have two different devices that give different results; one lists "jared kushner crimes". Since it isn't a matter of a single word (crimes) being flagged as disparaging, this blacklist can apparently be finely tuned to specific prediction results. (Maybe it's not a simple blacklist, but an ML model. Even scarier.)

I see: [jared kushner criticism] [jared kushner cries in closet] [jared kushner's father crime]

and so forth. Are you sure you aren't seeing your own search history as the suggestion? Another possibility is that you're seeing "... crimes" instead of the whole query? That can happen when the system isn't able to suggest a full query and starts suggesting individual word completions.

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Post by quetzthecoatl »

kspacewalk wrote: post #187
nailer wrote: post #172

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Gabbard doesn't believe in identity politics, thinks we should avoid making Syria a quagmire, was a soldier, and has a homophobic Dad. The first makes her the enemy to the hard left, so she is criticized for the later.

>thinks we should avoid making Syria a quagmire I think you accidentally misspelled "makes excuses for a tyrant while the blood is still dripping from his hands". Because you can be reasonable about not thinking that an invasion of Syria is a good idea and call Assad out on his war crimes. Most other candidates manage that just fine.

> "makes excuses for a tyrant while the blood is still dripping from his hands"

Precisely the argument used to support pretty much every war. Iraq, Afghanistan, Cuba, Vietnam - it's all the same. Bad evil guy that needs to be killed by the good American empire. Only the dictator changes. How Americans fall for this every single time despite knowing well how disastrous the previous one was is beyond me.

Re: Tulsi Gabbard Sues Google for Suspending Ad Account

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Post by bhk »

moultano wrote: post #196
bhk wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"cri", not "cr". I have two different devices that give different results; one lists "jared kushner crimes". Since it isn't a matter of a single word (crimes) being flagged as disparaging, this blacklist can apparently be finely tuned to specific prediction results. (Maybe it's not a simple blacklist, but an ML model. Even scarier.)

I see: [jared kushner criticism] [jared kushner cries in closet] [jared kushner's father crime] and so forth. Are you sure you aren't seeing your own search history as the suggestion? Another possibility is that you're seeing "... crimes" instead of the whole query? That can happen when the system isn't able to suggest a full query and starts suggesting individual word completions.

Do you really think that it simply excludes predictions with the word "crimes"?

Yes, I was seeing "... crimes" when typing for "jared kushner cri". But with other names it shows a complete prediction:

"julian assange cri" --> "julian assange crimes"

"jeffrey epstein cr" --> "jeffrey epstein crimes"

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Post by moultano »

bhk wrote: post #198
moultano wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see: [jared kushner criticism] [jared kushner cries in closet] [jared kushner's father crime] and so forth. Are you sure you aren't seeing your own search history as the suggestion? Another possibility is that you're seeing "... crimes" instead of the whole query? That can happen when the system isn't able to suggest a full query and starts suggesting individual word completions.

Do you really think that it simply excludes predictions with the word "crimes"? Yes, I was seeing "... crimes" when typing for "jared kushner cri". But with other names it shows a complete prediction: "julian assange cri" --> "julian assange crimes" "jeffrey epstein cr" --> "jeffrey epstein crimes"

I don't know all the details of how that system works, I don't work on it, but surely you'd agree that they're both more appropriate suggestions, as both of them have been indicted. I don't get "trump crimes" for "trump cri" either.

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Post by bhk »

moultano wrote: post #199
bhk wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you really think that it simply excludes predictions with the word "crimes"? Yes, I was seeing "... crimes" when typing for "jared kushner cri". But with other names it shows a complete prediction: "julian assange cri" --> "julian assange crimes" "jeffrey epstein cr" --> "jeffrey epstein crimes"

I don't know all the details of how that system works, I don't work on it, but surely you'd agree that they're both more appropriate suggestions, as both of them have been indicted. I don't get "trump crimes" for "trump cri" either.

I agree they are more appropriate. Surely you'd agree there's a lot of room for bias to manifest in a system like this.
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