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Approaching Peak Housing Dysfunction in California

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If people are going to live anything resembling a modern American lifestyle, then gathering people together in cities has much lower environmental impact and lower infrastructure costs than spreading them around South Dakota. People don’t expect just electricity and plumbing, they also expect modern construction techniques, roads, police, fire suppression, emergency response, schools, full-service hospitals, telecomm…

Consider the environmental transparency: instead of utterly devastating an environmental region as does cities, encourage each family to own a mostly-untouched >5 acres, the high-efficiency home sporting solar roof & rainwater collection, wireless/satellite high-bandwidth internet, home & prolific electric car chargers, optimized Amazon/etc delivery, home/neighborhood schooling, work-from-home norm, etc. Environmenta…

> encourage each family to own a mostly-untouched >5 acres

There will soon be 11 billion people in the world.

This is a pipe dream, but if it came to fruition it would wreck the planet very quickly.

Re: Approaching Peak Housing Dysfunction in California

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post #96

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Not in CA - Prop13 + corporate shell board of director transfers means the tax rate never increases, and after 40+ years, that means a lot of properties essentially pay a fraction of the taxes they should. Prop13 has had a LOT of unintended consequences.

Prop13 has had a LOT of unintended consequences. No, those were intended consequences.

I don’t think anyone back then could have imagined property values going from say, 30,000 to 3,000,000.

Can you imagine it now? Could we ever reach the $10 million mark for a single family Bay Area home?

That’s the kind of leap you’d be asking them to make if you went back 40 years or so.

Re: Approaching Peak Housing Dysfunction in California

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This article approaches the issue from the preconception that building housing is the best, obvious and inevitable decision for Bay Area communities. Because of this, any obstacles to it must be due either to a) fossilized regulations from a former age; or b) greed and entitlement.

As to a), I find that the democratic process is actually very engaged in making housing decisions. As a resident of Alameda, we are constantly getting new housing approved, because our voting populace happens to support it. In other towns, maybe that's not the case. But the laws and regulations that protect against development are not necessarily byproducts from a former age that are no longer applicable, but in fact still representative of the will of the people. And in any case, the will of the people can change them!

As to b), I think there are great reasons why someone would be against development other than greed and entitlement. If rich and powerful interests (such as Big Tech) threaten to change your way of life, don't you have the right as an American to vote your conscience, even if it goes against the tides of change? Or are we only allowed to vote in a way that would ultimately favor Big Tech in some way? People that think in this way remind me of the current situation in Hong Kong - where it's a "democracy," but you're only allowed to vote for the "approved" candidates. In other words, no democracy at all.

An objection has been raised that people who don't like the tech industry being here can move somewhere else. Well, the same is true for the tech industry itself. In fact, it appears that Big Tech is playing a game of chicken, and banks on the fact that the Bay Area towns will blink first. We have seen this before, where Uber deliberately broke the law by running a commercial car service without paying for the required licenses and permits. Then, they sicced their lawyers on the towns that tried to stop them until people got so enamored of the service they couldn't imagine life without it, and the political will was decidedly in their favor. All in the name of "disruption."

I have no issue ascribing legitimate motives to those who wish not to be "disrupted," and refuse to accept that as an inevitability. What would the answer be to a big corporation belching toxic fumes into the atmosphere? "Well, that's just the march of progress, we all need to adapt?" I didn't think so. Instead, we will continue to put these things to a vote (or fight for our right to do so where we wrongfully can't). That's how we make decisions in America.

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I have suggested this before, and I'll suggest this again. The whole problem could be solved if we gave people the choice of voting where they work rather than where they live. Currently every city wants all the businesses that they can get because businesses generate lots of tax revenues. Cities do not want apartments because that doesn't generate revenue, and locals object on the basis of NIMBYism. But when everyon…

I don't know if this would work as well as you might think it does. 1. People don't necessarily want to live immediately next door to where they work. Maybe someone who works in Mountain View wants to live in Palo Alto, but this doesn't help them. 2. A lot of highways bulldozing inner cities were stopped by residents protesting. Under your proposal office workers could just vote in a highway that gets them from A to…

To address 1, I think many of the municipalities between at least Palo Alto and Sunnyvale should be consolidated (and give Santa Clara to San Jose).

Re: Approaching Peak Housing Dysfunction in California

#125

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I don't know if this would work as well as you might think it does. 1. People don't necessarily want to live immediately next door to where they work. Maybe someone who works in Mountain View wants to live in Palo Alto, but this doesn't help them. 2. A lot of highways bulldozing inner cities were stopped by residents protesting. Under your proposal office workers could just vote in a highway that gets them from A to…

To address 1, I think many of the municipalities between at least Palo Alto and Sunnyvale should be consolidated (and give Santa Clara to San Jose).

Honestly, the Bay Area shouldn't have municipalities smaller than counties.

Re: Approaching Peak Housing Dysfunction in California

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post #27

I walked around downtown San Bruno recently and it's honestly pathetic how this city is squandering their potential. Even on el camino real itself a lot of the property is being wasted on auto repair shops and fast food places, 2-3 story buildings, etc. This place could be way, way better given its proximity to the airport and SF.

I mean, I don't know how to tell you guys, but from the perspective of an east coaster, the entire peninsula (including SF) looks like this. It feels like some kind of parallel universe where nothing makes sense. Like I hear about a housing crisis in SF but I go there and there are supermarkets surrounded by parking lots in the middle of the city. There are literal big-box stores like you'd see in the suburbs adjacen…

Outside of the older large northeast cities, New York, Boston, Philadelphia, etc, this is pretty much the norm for much of the east coast as well.

Re: Approaching Peak Housing Dysfunction in California

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I just spent 3 weeks in the US Midwest. There is plenty of land to use, thousands of square miles of empty rolling grassy plains. (Ex.: South Dakota averages 11 people per square mile.) Apply a little modern technology (solar/wind, water storage/purification, insulation, Starlink satellite internet) and nobody need complain of population density. There's a startup waiting to happen: self-sufficient high-tech prefab h…

Absolutely. Part of the solution is to figure out how to disaggregate knowledge economies. Why so many mostly digital companies insist on in-office work is absolutely beyond me.

I'd kind of like to go to rural nowheresville, live cheap, and still make tech money. But my parents are here, my wife has health issues, and my kids need decent colleges.

We're getting to the point where maybe the work part works. College may be able to be fully remote fairly soon (Western Governors University is there already, but only has select majors). Specialized doctors, though... that might be a bit harder.

I mean, yes, you can do "face to face" via Skype. You can't do blood tests that way, though...

Re: Approaching Peak Housing Dysfunction in California

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One of the issues is that we, in the US, don't look at other successful cities or countries and consider implementing their solutions. Then in California, we don't look at other cities or states within the US who have solved similar problems. Tokyo has rational zoning rules that has lead to affordable housing in a growing metropolis. This blog post https://devonzuegel.com/post/north-american-vs-japanese-zoni... describes the differences in Japanese zoning versus North American zoning.

Re: Approaching Peak Housing Dysfunction in California

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I walked around downtown San Bruno recently and it's honestly pathetic how this city is squandering their potential. Even on el camino real itself a lot of the property is being wasted on auto repair shops and fast food places, 2-3 story buildings, etc. This place could be way, way better given its proximity to the airport and SF.

> auto repair shops

Apparently the city governments want lots of these. They call it PDR zoning; apparently auto repair shops pay more for non-college-educated workers than other jobs.

Re: Approaching Peak Housing Dysfunction in California

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To address 1, I think many of the municipalities between at least Palo Alto and Sunnyvale should be consolidated (and give Santa Clara to San Jose).

Honestly, the Bay Area shouldn't have municipalities smaller than counties.

This is kind of like what New York did in the 1800s by consolidating all the towns around it into a giant metropolis. And that's clearly what many people wish the Bay Area were today - a giant megalopolis from San Jose to Petaluma. The problem with that is that while it would be a great idea for getting one's way on a given issue, there are a lot of people that don't want to live in that kind of place, and are fighting to maintain their towns as the small towns they want them to be.
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