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Re: Facebook Research Warned of ‘Tipping Point’ Threat to Core App

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You should be, the Facebook app explicitly does listen to the mic unless you opt out. It has also come out that Google and Amazon are storing people's personal voice requests, and aside from that the mics are always on waiting to hear the trigger words. This means by default that the apps are listening and analyzing everything, though how much of the non word-triggered speech gets recorded is unknown. Facebook's init…

The Facebook app, on iPhone at least, requires you to opt in to giving it microphone access. I've seen the myth that Facebook is targeting ads based on what it hears debunked several times. Do you have a source that shows that it is in fact listening? I think it's more likely that the same reason someone is talking about something (they're in a demographic interested in that thing) is the reason that Facebook gives y…

same on Android .. and microphone is among the permissions I very rarely give to any app.

Thinking about it, I might just remove it from Google as well since I don't really use voice search.

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Enjoy insta while it lasts. They are having more and more sponsored posts creep into the feed. I don’t expect this trend to reverse. It’s how they make money.

I have mentioned this before here - instagram ads are a bit too creepy. I have had multiple personal ads that were eerily accurate and I hadn’t even discussed these things over any written form. I’m not paranoid to think they are listening to the microphone but the coincidence is super uncanny. It crossed the line for me twice in the past few months alone.

Instagram thinks that I have influence over jet fighter buying decisions, they're not that good (despite the invasive methods that they surely use).

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I can say what has reduced my Facebook use, if anybody in a relevant position at the company is reading. It's the content Facebook shows me. A decade or so ago, most of the content I saw on Facebook was original content from people I know. Most posts were either text written by someone I knew, or a photo taken by someone I knew. Perhaps not everybody shares this position, but what I most want from Facebook is to keep…

Enjoy insta while it lasts. They are having more and more sponsored posts creep into the feed. I don’t expect this trend to reverse. It’s how they make money.

I like replying to sponsored posts with comments that the sponsor would probably not classify as a 'positive engagement' ;-)

Re: Facebook Research Warned of ‘Tipping Point’ Threat to Core App

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Enjoy insta while it lasts. They are having more and more sponsored posts creep into the feed. I don’t expect this trend to reverse. It’s how they make money.

I have mentioned this before here - instagram ads are a bit too creepy. I have had multiple personal ads that were eerily accurate and I hadn’t even discussed these things over any written form. I’m not paranoid to think they are listening to the microphone but the coincidence is super uncanny. It crossed the line for me twice in the past few months alone.

Someone did an experiment where they talked Spanish into their phone, cold, and the ads started showing up in Spanish later.

Re: Facebook Research Warned of ‘Tipping Point’ Threat to Core App

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I have mentioned this before here - instagram ads are a bit too creepy. I have had multiple personal ads that were eerily accurate and I hadn’t even discussed these things over any written form. I’m not paranoid to think they are listening to the microphone but the coincidence is super uncanny. It crossed the line for me twice in the past few months alone.

You may not have put in anything directly but they have stuff about a lot of the people you follow, recommendations to you and ML that analyzes your habits to better find info about you. Who knows what computers can infer based on all these inputs? At this point they own so much data based on all these connections they likely do not need to listen. It would be good if these companies had to be a little more transpare…

Does the quality of the ads you see really make you confident that they're paying attention to all of these data points and have an amazing algorithm that ties it all together?

Re: Facebook Research Warned of ‘Tipping Point’ Threat to Core App

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I used to think they would follow the xanga / myspace train and be blown out of the water by something but that's not the case anymore. They have proven they can just buy any competitors or quickly copy their features, and "all my friends are on fb/insta/whatsapp" will keep the vast majority of the users entwined in one way or another. Regardless of usage metrics, if you only use their apps for social, that's a win in itself.

Re: Facebook Research Warned of ‘Tipping Point’ Threat to Core App

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I can say what has reduced my Facebook use, if anybody in a relevant position at the company is reading. It's the content Facebook shows me. A decade or so ago, most of the content I saw on Facebook was original content from people I know. Most posts were either text written by someone I knew, or a photo taken by someone I knew. Perhaps not everybody shares this position, but what I most want from Facebook is to keep…

Exactly this. The only explanation must be that Fb isn’t economically viable with more than a tiny fraction of original content (our friends showing cat pics to us doesn’t make money) but at the same time it isn’t a good product without a much higher, fraction of original content. And if that’s the case then Facebook will implode. My guess is they can’t watch their other apps cannibalize the blue app, so mergers will take place.

Re: Facebook Research Warned of ‘Tipping Point’ Threat to Core App

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I can say what has reduced my Facebook use, if anybody in a relevant position at the company is reading. It's the content Facebook shows me. A decade or so ago, most of the content I saw on Facebook was original content from people I know. Most posts were either text written by someone I knew, or a photo taken by someone I knew. Perhaps not everybody shares this position, but what I most want from Facebook is to keep…

I'm starting to struggle with this on Twitter. Got frustrated enough to uninstall it a few weeks ago, still haven't put it back (though I continue to be tempted). So many promoted tweets and the uncanny feeling that my feed is being shaped in strange and unwanted ways. The straw that broke the camel's back was the banner where twitter declared that it was doing more tracking and targeting so that I would be served be…

If I didn’t have a good third party client (no ads, no sponsored tweets, all chronoligical) I would have left Twitter long ago. I don’t get how people can stand using the official apps.

Re: Facebook Research Warned of ‘Tipping Point’ Threat to Core App

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I think the focus on Stories is a huge mistake. Disclaimer: I'm too old to "get it". I've only used stories a few times, they feel like a huge time sink vs a normal FB/IG post, and that investment seems less worthwhile for something that doesn't stick around like a vacation photo album that I or someone else might refer back to later. I've only used stories when (say) traveling solo, and I want to post more mundane s…

Ephemeral content means you must check all the time. If you are like me and you want to check your friends original content or some event calendar once every 48h or less, you are probably not in the user group they see as “profitable”

Re: Facebook Research Warned of ‘Tipping Point’ Threat to Core App

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I was talking to my 15yo niece, and I already suspected that Facebook is losing young people. So I asked on which platforms she spends her time. "No Facebook, mainly WhatsApp groups, and also private Instagram". Facebook is dead, long live Facebook. I must say that their aquisition strategy is impressive.

Soon these youngsters realize they need an event planning/calendar thing for WhatsApp, or a “page” for their business. And Fb can add it. Next, their own kids will get devices, and they’ll be on platform X that their parents aren’t on. And Facebook will quickly buy it. Repeat.
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