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Re: Oooh - I'd kill for a four day week...

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Unless they don't speak a foreign language.

One would assume that most people of working age would speak at least English, which should be enough to get started in many countries.

How would one assume that? Does one know how much education costs?

Re: Oooh - I'd kill for a four day week...

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I often hear people making statements like the one in the title (I'd kill to...), but usually the first response that jumps into my head is "No, you wouldn't."

If you really wanted a four day work week, you would have one. You'd make it a priority and either negotiate it into your current job or go find an employer who was flexible enough to allow it.

The fact that you're working 5 days a week can be taken as a statement that you are in fact content to work 5 days per week.

I used to get this a lot when I'd come back from a long trip. "I wish I could just drop everything and go traveling for a whole year..." But you can. You just haven't. And if you thought about it, you'd probably realize that you really just prefer to lead the life you're leading.

The key is to understand yourself and what you really want. Then do that.

Re: Oooh - I'd kill for a four day week...

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I would say salaries are good, comparing salaries and cost of living (comparing to London or Paris for example). I also heard contrary statements to yours regarding venture capital (may not be at the level of the US though). And, there are a bunch of technology companies (TomTom, booking.com, Hyves...). Companies seem to have a hard time hiring locals though, and there are quite a lot of foreigners working in IT. So…

Salaries are low in the Netherlands for IT people. I'm a Windows admin and also moved and went from pretax 34K euros in Amsterdam to $110K in California in 2006.Then add on top of that a sales tax and an income tax that are each roughly 10% lower in the US. Even if you compensate for lower benefits, cost of living differences and a possible increase of my value due to additional skills learned, there is a massive dif…

Sure, salaries are much higher in US, even more so in California. :-)

But, by european standards, it's pretty good. London and Paris are more expensive cities and salaries are lower (except maybe in finance).

I went from 31K in Toulouse (France) to 45K in Amsterdam 3 months later :-) Not really rags to riches but still a very nice increase, even adjusting to the higher cost of living.

Re: Oooh - I'd kill for a four day week...

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"...if we insisted on full-time surgeons we would have a personnel problem: Three in four of our junior doctors are female." We have had "part time doctors" in the US for a while, not to mention a movement toward "girl specialties" (read: gyno/derm/few others). It's a significant contributor to our rising medical costs. Supply of medical services = (# of doctors) x (average hours worked). The # of doctors is basicall…

We have had "part time doctors" in the US for a while, not to mention a movement toward "girl specialties" (read: gyno/derm/few others). It's a significant contributor to our rising medical costs.

Actually, an increase in the number of doctors (or, presumably doctor-hours) seems to lead to an increase in medical care costs. Adding more doctors increases the amount of medical service provided rather than providing the same amount of service at a reduced cost.

Re: Oooh - I'd kill for a four day week...

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I often hear people making statements like the one in the title (I'd kill to...), but usually the first response that jumps into my head is "No, you wouldn't." If you really wanted a four day work week, you would have one. You'd make it a priority and either negotiate it into your current job or go find an employer who was flexible enough to allow it. The fact that you're working 5 days a week can be taken as a state…

Somewhat related, I love this quote from Eliezer_Yudkowsky:

"Have you ever caught yourself saying something like, "I just don't understand how a PhD physicist can believe in astrology?" Well, if you literally don't understand, this indicates a problem with your model of human psychology. Perhaps you are indignant - you wish to express strong moral disapproval. But if you literally don't understand, then your indignation is stopping you from coming to terms with reality. It shouldn't be hard to imagine how a PhD physicist ends up believing in astrology. People compartmentalize, enough said."

http://lesswrong.com/lw/hs/think_like_reality/

Re: Oooh - I'd kill for a four day week...

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"...if we insisted on full-time surgeons we would have a personnel problem: Three in four of our junior doctors are female." We have had "part time doctors" in the US for a while, not to mention a movement toward "girl specialties" (read: gyno/derm/few others). It's a significant contributor to our rising medical costs. Supply of medical services = (# of doctors) x (average hours worked). The # of doctors is basicall…

We have had "part time doctors" in the US for a while, not to mention a movement toward "girl specialties" (read: gyno/derm/few others). It's a significant contributor to our rising medical costs. Actually, an increase in the number of doctors (or, presumably doctor-hours) seems to lead to an increase in medical care costs. Adding more doctors increases the amount of medical service provided rather than providing the…

Could you provide a source? It sounds interesting, if true.

Such a result has interesting implications. Since we know the demand for medicine is not perfectly inelastic (various experiments with copays prove this), it would suggest that some external force (insurance companies?) is keeping prices down and the constraining factor is supply.

Re: Oooh - I'd kill for a four day week...

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have had "part time doctors" in the US for a while, not to mention a movement toward "girl specialties" (read: gyno/derm/few others). It's a significant contributor to our rising medical costs. Actually, an increase in the number of doctors (or, presumably doctor-hours) seems to lead to an increase in medical care costs. Adding more doctors increases the amount of medical service provided rather than providing the…

Could you provide a source? It sounds interesting, if true. Such a result has interesting implications. Since we know the demand for medicine is not perfectly inelastic (various experiments with copays prove this), it would suggest that some external force (insurance companies?) is keeping prices down and the constraining factor is supply.

If you haven't already read Atul Gawande's New Yorker piece comparing medical care expenses in McAllen, TX vs El Paso, TX, then here you go:

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/06/01/090601fa_fact_...

Obviously it covers more than just this particular topic, but the odd behavior of markets for health care is a central concern he addresses.

Re: Oooh - I'd kill for a four day week...

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I often hear people making statements like the one in the title (I'd kill to...), but usually the first response that jumps into my head is "No, you wouldn't." If you really wanted a four day work week, you would have one. You'd make it a priority and either negotiate it into your current job or go find an employer who was flexible enough to allow it. The fact that you're working 5 days a week can be taken as a state…

You seem to assume everyone can get anything they want, any time.

Re: Oooh - I'd kill for a four day week...

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I often hear people making statements like the one in the title (I'd kill to...), but usually the first response that jumps into my head is "No, you wouldn't." If you really wanted a four day work week, you would have one. You'd make it a priority and either negotiate it into your current job or go find an employer who was flexible enough to allow it. The fact that you're working 5 days a week can be taken as a state…

You seem to assume everyone can get anything they want, any time.

Just four days a week and a year. That is a far cry from "a pleasure cruise to the moon" and "peace for all mankind".

But there is a middle ground. You can certainly work towards things, but depending on your situation and available resources, you may not be able to achieve some of them in the desired time frames.

Re: Oooh - I'd kill for a four day week...

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I often hear people making statements like the one in the title (I'd kill to...), but usually the first response that jumps into my head is "No, you wouldn't." If you really wanted a four day work week, you would have one. You'd make it a priority and either negotiate it into your current job or go find an employer who was flexible enough to allow it. The fact that you're working 5 days a week can be taken as a state…

You seem to assume everyone can get anything they want, any time.

No, he's assuming people have the freedom to prioritize.
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