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Paris breaks all-time high temperature as deadly heat wave grips Europe

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Re: Paris breaks all-time high temperature as deadly heat wave grips Europe

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I like the viewpoint that while yes its the hottest summer for the last few decades, its also the coolest summer for the next few decades.

It is actually pretty cold July here in Poland, after hot June. Few nights before I have used electric blanket. We have northern circulation for 4th week.

Re: Paris breaks all-time high temperature as deadly heat wave grips Europe

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Arguably, it's better that way. Confusing meteorology with climatology is the favourite fallacy of climatosceptics. EDIT: Replaced "argument" by "fallacy"

Example: across much of the US in the last few years there have been record colds because of polar vortexes. A few weeks of record colds doesn't negate climate change. A few weeks of record heat isn't the proof of it either. I keep saying that ocean acidification needs to be the forefront of the argument more. The data is so much clearer and dramatic that it's so much harder to deny the harm being done by greenhouse…

> Example: across much of the US in the last few years there have been record colds because of polar vortexes. A few weeks of record colds doesn't negate climate change. A few weeks of record heat isn't the proof of it either.

I don't know about these polar vortexes in particular, but climate change predicts wider swings in both directions, as there is more energy in the system. In other words, the vortex would not have gone as far south if it had had less energy.

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How are they not normal and necessary? Are you willing to give up electricity for 6 hours of your day to combat climate change? I think most people aren't willing to do that. If you were to take the problem seriously you'd need to start doing things like that and no one wants for their quality of life to decrease that much.

"No electricity for six hours a day" at an individual/consumer level is not the solution and obviously never will be even if the math lined up. Think economically, not individually. Commuting is normal but it is not necessary. Suburban and rural living at consistent standards of living (necessarily higher-consumption factors due to diseconomies of scale) are not necessary. You're right in that people won't do it, but…

This discussion reflects an additional problem. There is no agreement about the solution.

Try selling people a problem without a solution. Good luck!

Re: Paris breaks all-time high temperature as deadly heat wave grips Europe

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It will feel more like home to the current inhabitants of Paris

We've banned this throwaway as well as your main account.

Aside: Thanks for doing so. These 6 char throwaways are getting crazy recently, or maybe this is just me.

Re: Paris breaks all-time high temperature as deadly heat wave grips Europe

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For me it’s easy to accept that climate change is happening but predicting what will unfold in the next 30-50 years seems nearly impossible. Humans have historically been bad at predicting what will happen even 20-30 years in the future. The media is even worse (https://skepticalscience.com/ice-age-predictions-in-1970s-in...). Articles can be found from at least the sixties predicting the end of the earth in X years due to climate change. Can you really blame people for being skeptical given what they’ve been told over the years? On top of that, climate change isn’t the only existential threat that humanity faces. How do you rank its importance, and thus the level of focus and resourcing it gets, relative to other threats? I understand that we shouldn’t do nothing. I also understand that some of the extreme climate change proposals likely over estimate the magnitude of the problem.

Re: Paris breaks all-time high temperature as deadly heat wave grips Europe

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If every disaster contains opportunities, what are they here? The obvious thing would be investing in green technology, but what else? Are HVAC equipment producers about to see a big uptick in sales?

It's kind of ironic that when the Earth gets hot we turn on more devices that heat up the Earth (via CO2 emissions). I don't have AC at home in the Bay Area -- when it gets hot I just go to a public air-conditioned space for the day.

It's part of the reason I think rooftop solar panels are an interesting idea. They generate power at exactly the time when it's needed for cooling.

Re: Paris breaks all-time high temperature as deadly heat wave grips Europe

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Probably. Much of Europe hasn't really needed AC until now. It would often only have been really impactful for one or two weeks a year. Not really worth the investment. With temperatures climbing this high, and being maintained for longer periods, I recently bought my first mobile AC unit and am thinking about installing a permanent one after the summer.

Where are you? Apparently there is a surge in AC sales in The Netherlands as well. Sure, we have had a few hot days now and about a month ago, but nothing that can't be handled with a good ventilator. The remaining 355 days of the year we absolutely don't need an AC. Now people have AC units installed and also turn them on when it's 30 degrees celsius outside. Given that we are nowhere near 100% renewable energy yet,…

Are they not buying reversible heat pumps? That’s what people buy in Norway, which helps on the much longer heating season

Re: Paris breaks all-time high temperature as deadly heat wave grips Europe

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Climate Crisis Any news source that reports "record-breaking temperatures" is, deliberately or not, making these dangerously increasing temperatures sound like a good thing. This extreme heat is costing us $$$

No, record-breaking means it broke a record. If it was used almost exclusively for positive things, you might have a point, but it is routinely used for negative things as well. For example, "storm" is the third most related topic based on Google trends.[1] 1: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=record-breaking&g...

There's no universal law that declares it has to be reported as such
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