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Paris breaks all-time high temperature as deadly heat wave grips Europe

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Re: Paris breaks all-time high temperature as deadly heat wave grips Europe

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> French energy company EDF stated that it would shut down two nuclear reactors in an attempt to limit the amount of heating water used to keep the reactors cool at Golftech nuclear power plant. I don't see why that would be a necessary or even good thing? Surely they must have higher demand for power from AC loads with the heat, even if AC isn't quite as prevalent in the EU as the US.

This was done to prevent badly affecting the ecosystem of the rivers. The water from the river is used to cool down the plant, but the resulting warm water is poured back into the river. The temperature of the water going back to the river is carefully monitored and during heat waves it may be decided to shut down the plant. By the way this is not specific to nuclear at all, coal plants work the same, but France is the major exception in the world with 74% electricity coming from nuclear, and most of the rest coming from dams (extremely low carbon footprint for electricity). Some plant designs only use closed-circuit cooling which doesn't have this problem. The towers people usually associate with nuclear plants, is in fact a cooling tower that uses the air to cool the water. Again despite popular belief, these cooling towers are not just for nuclear, they are also used for coal plants (any thermal power plant)

Re: Paris breaks all-time high temperature as deadly heat wave grips Europe

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If every disaster contains opportunities, what are they here? The obvious thing would be investing in green technology, but what else? Are HVAC equipment producers about to see a big uptick in sales?

Probably. Much of Europe hasn't really needed AC until now. It would often only have been really impactful for one or two weeks a year. Not really worth the investment. With temperatures climbing this high, and being maintained for longer periods, I recently bought my first mobile AC unit and am thinking about installing a permanent one after the summer.

Where are you? Apparently there is a surge in AC sales in The Netherlands as well. Sure, we have had a few hot days now and about a month ago, but nothing that can't be handled with a good ventilator. The remaining 355 days of the year we absolutely don't need an AC. Now people have AC units installed and also turn them on when it's 30 degrees celsius outside. Given that we are nowhere near 100% renewable energy yet, it's a hell of a good way to make the problem even worse.

Re: Paris breaks all-time high temperature as deadly heat wave grips Europe

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Because reactors need a lot of water as coolant, and they were designed with assumptions about how high the temperature of the water would be, which are now being broken. They started building that reactor in 1982, before they understood that temperatures were in the process of rising 1.5C (up to now).

The more accurate answer is that to not cook everything downstream they are forbidden from releasing to hot a water. If the upstream is already hot, they have no margin to not cook the fish downstream so they close shop. (It’s a bit more complicated since it depends also on the River size, but the main factor is downstream temp.)

Thanks for the correction.

Re: Paris breaks all-time high temperature as deadly heat wave grips Europe

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>He still doesn't "believe" in it. Here's a clue: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7139797.stm

It's called a forecast. So what if they are off by only 10 years? Does it matter? Because it's certainly going to be ice-free way before 2100. http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charctic-interactive-sea-i... This year is looking like it will set the record for lowest yet. My guess is that it will be ice-free in September within 5 years because it's an exponential decay. Note "ice-free" is agreed to mean less than 1mil…

> Note "ice-free" is agreed to mean less than 1mil square kilometers.

Agreed by who? You're trying to convince the deniers; giving them a massive out like that isn't tactically sound.

"Oh their prediction was wrong so they changed the terms - climate change is a conspiracy and they're lying to our faces, can't you see?!?!"

Re: Paris breaks all-time high temperature as deadly heat wave grips Europe

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If every disaster contains opportunities, what are they here? The obvious thing would be investing in green technology, but what else? Are HVAC equipment producers about to see a big uptick in sales?

It's kind of ironic that when the Earth gets hot we turn on more devices that heat up the Earth (via CO2 emissions). I don't have AC at home in the Bay Area -- when it gets hot I just go to a public air-conditioned space for the day.

> It's kind of ironic that when the Earth gets hot we turn on more devices that heat up the Earth (via CO2 emissions).

It's not exactly irony; these vicious feedback loops are a big part of what has gotten us into this mess.

Re: Paris breaks all-time high temperature as deadly heat wave grips Europe

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If every disaster contains opportunities, what are they here? The obvious thing would be investing in green technology, but what else? Are HVAC equipment producers about to see a big uptick in sales?

Vast swathes of land in Russia that have been frigid are becoming arable. Lots of formerly inland properties will become seafront all around the world - invest wisely!

https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/500hPa/o...

Warsaw is today 27C, Minsk 21C, Smolensk 18C, Moscow 22C. So not entire Europe is baking in heatwave only the Western part.

The same circulation is heating Western Europe and cooling Eastern Europe.

Re: Paris breaks all-time high temperature as deadly heat wave grips Europe

#107

Climate change isn’t disputed by logic. It’s being disputed by the commercial entities that are protecting their $billion/$trillion industries who, otherwise, would have to face big losses. We all know the industries that are negatively impacting the environment. Their selfish stakeholders have managed to successfully create a reality distortion field of denial. This article, with lack of mentioning global warming, i…

The real problem is pension funds. And when you look at who's benefiting from the pension funds, you'll see another problem; People aren't dying and the pension funds are being asked to fund way more than they expected to. We have hoards of people who haven't worked in 40 years still getting paid out of a pension that expected to pay them for 20.

At this point fossil fuel investments carry a significant long term financial risk. Pensions funds shouldn’t be involved in that kind of investment.

Re: Paris breaks all-time high temperature as deadly heat wave grips Europe

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Calm down, there will be a war or virus or climate change itself will help us with the overpopulation problem. If you killed every second person and planted a tree things will balance themselves out.

You joke (I think) but that's the path we're headed down. I'm fully expecting over a billion people to die within my lifetime from disease, malnutrition, and war spurred by climate change. It's foolish to think humans are so different from other life that we won't have a population crash after such rapid growth.

You should probably expect far more than that over your lifetime, but you can pretty much ignore malnutrition and war based on current data on causes of death. Already about 1.8 people die around the world every second from all causes. That's a billion people in less than 18 years. Half of those are for people over 70. About 80% of the deaths are people 50 years and older. 30% of all deaths are from cardiovascular diseases, over 85% of all deaths are from some sort of disease. If you correlate the various diseases with age it's not unreasonable to claim "old age" as the biggest killer. Even if we gain mastery over planetary climate as an engineering solution to climate change, without tackling old age, your estimates on billions of deaths from disease should not change.

Re: Paris breaks all-time high temperature as deadly heat wave grips Europe

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Calm down, there will be a war or virus or climate change itself will help us with the overpopulation problem. If you killed every second person and planted a tree things will balance themselves out.

Are you volunteering?

You kill I'll plant a tree on every grave.
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