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Paris breaks all-time high temperature as deadly heat wave grips Europe

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Re: Paris breaks all-time high temperature as deadly heat wave grips Europe

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We're seeing record shattering temperatures in different parts of the world a lot this yet - yet the article doesn't even mention climate change. As long as we keep shoveling meat into our faces 5x per day and the population keeps expanding at break-neck rate, we have massive heatwaves and endless storms to look forward to. And then that road will come to an end, and it won't be pretty.

Conflate weather and climate, I thought that's what "deniers" do?

Re: Paris breaks all-time high temperature as deadly heat wave grips Europe

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Climate Crisis Any news source that reports "record-breaking temperatures" is, deliberately or not, making these dangerously increasing temperatures sound like a good thing. This extreme heat is costing us $$$

I missed the part where "deadly heat wave" was a framed as a good thing.

Re: Paris breaks all-time high temperature as deadly heat wave grips Europe

#54

Pro tip for people who do not have airconditioning in their houses: 1. Go to universities 2. Go to co-working spaces Go to any place to flee the heat. I'm at my university right now, and I'm not even noticing it's as hot as it is since the airconditioning is doing an amazing job here.

I know you're in triage mode helping the immediately-affected get safe, but given the climate change undercurrents of all this, a statement like

> I'm not even noticing it's as hot as it is since the airconditioning is doing an amazing job here.

...just leaves a frustrating and poor taste.

What's powering all that air conditioning? It's not free.

Get safe now, but don't lose sight that it's all inter-related.

Re: Paris breaks all-time high temperature as deadly heat wave grips Europe

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post #5
post #4

No mention of climate change in the article.

Arguably, it's better that way. Confusing meteorology with climatology is the favourite fallacy of climatosceptics. EDIT: Replaced "argument" by "fallacy"

Example: across much of the US in the last few years there have been record colds because of polar vortexes. A few weeks of record colds doesn't negate climate change. A few weeks of record heat isn't the proof of it either.

I keep saying that ocean acidification needs to be the forefront of the argument more. The data is so much clearer and dramatic that it's so much harder to deny the harm being done by greenhouse gases. "It's hot today" is a terrible way to start a discussion with someone who doesn't believe in global warming, just like "it snowed today" is a terrible counter-argument from them.

Re: Paris breaks all-time high temperature as deadly heat wave grips Europe

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post #9
post #4

No mention of climate change in the article.

I was talking about climate change with a co-worker on Monday. He still doesn't "believe" in it. "Nobody can know if it's happening" and "earth went through countless high and low temperature passes over the years. It's nothing special" It was a great example of today's reality we live in. It's truly an age of misinformation.

Whats the rational response to that? I keep getting into these discussions but I myself am not versed enough to counter it :(

Re: Paris breaks all-time high temperature as deadly heat wave grips Europe

#58
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right about the meat but peak population growth rate was 50 years ago. See: https://ourworldindata.org/uploads/2013/05/Updated-World-Pop...

Rate could also mean people/year instead of %/year.

growth in people/year is surprisingly constant over the last 50 years

https://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&...

Re: Paris breaks all-time high temperature as deadly heat wave grips Europe

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Meanwhile here in Texas, that level of heat is business as usual. I get that most places in the EU don't have aircon, as they rarely need it, barring southern EU, which I have spent considerable amounts of time in. I far prefer the misty moors of England over anything with tons of sun. Having grown up in Europe, I do prefer their weather when it's normal for them. If only I could convince my wife to move somewhere wi…

A major difference is most Texans make use of air conditioning. Paris largely does not.

Growing up in the US then living for quite some time in Europe it was initially weird for me to not see AC everywhere, but I quickly realized it was much more comfortable for me. Something about being in a cold building and then going out into a swamp heater just makes it more miserable. Maybe its slow acclimation or some subjective thing.

Re: Paris breaks all-time high temperature as deadly heat wave grips Europe

#60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

weather != climate

It's a nice equation. Here's another: car crashes != driving. Despite this being technically true, let's not pretend that the left side is independent from the right.

Let's remember that equation the next time Arctic ice field expands...
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