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Facebook Research Warned of ‘Tipping Point’ Threat to Core App

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Re: Facebook Research Warned of ‘Tipping Point’ Threat to Core App

#51
Is this really surprising?

The strength of a network is n^2:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metcalfe's_law

It makes sense that the more people leaving a network then the utility of said network will decline.

What seems odd is why they care if people move to Insta or WhatsApp, since FB owna both.

Re: Facebook Research Warned of ‘Tipping Point’ Threat to Core App

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post #14

While I have a facebook account I'm not a big user, it's mostly for a few contacts that are only on messenger. I don't look at my "stream" a lot, and when I do it's mostly useless content like meme, self-centered post and whatnot that I personnaly have zero interest in, with maybe 1% of actually interesting thing in between like birth annoncement from acquaintances etc ... I don't plan to delete my account because I…

The microphone permission is used for you to be able to record a voice message to send to someone. I don't know why it would suddenly ask but I have pressed that voice message / microphone button by accident in the past. Or maybe it's just something the app requests globally on newer versions.

I was not asking why the microphone permission is needed, but why it would be used with the app in the background, not being used.

> I have pressed that voice message / microphone button by accident in the past

App in the background. It's not due to a keypress or to do any user-initiated action. Googling it, seems it's not a one off and that the app does indeed access the microphone from the background from time to time to do god knows what

Re: Facebook Research Warned of ‘Tipping Point’ Threat to Core App

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Is it just me, or do "secret" have negative connotation? Because for me it does, and I am really sad from journalist when they use "secret" or "secretly" in headlines, when it just mean internal, or just not disclosed. What is interesting that the article does not contain word secret, and they always use the word internal.

Internal doesn't necessarily mean "not public" though. "Private" is perhaps a better term.

Re: Facebook Research Warned of ‘Tipping Point’ Threat to Core App

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I can say what has reduced my Facebook use, if anybody in a relevant position at the company is reading. It's the content Facebook shows me.

A decade or so ago, most of the content I saw on Facebook was original content from people I know. Most posts were either text written by someone I knew, or a photo taken by someone I knew. Perhaps not everybody shares this position, but what I most want from Facebook is to keep up with people I actually know. Here are the first 20 posts I see now:

7 shared images from strangers/pages. 1 screenshot from a TV show uploaded by a friend. 1 page updated its website. 1 shared video from strangers/pages. 2 "suggested" videos from a page. 1 photograph taken by a friend. 1 "memory" containing text written by the person who shared it. 3 links to a news story. 3 posts by a page.

That's 2/20 posts of original content from people I know. I've noticed that if I post original content, my friends are less likely to interact with it than a few years ago, probably because they, too are presented with such a huge amount of other content.

I know I can opt in to something like the old experience with the "friends feed" feature. Well, I can on the desktop site (if I bookmark it, click it each time, or use a browser extension); it appears to be missing from the mobile site and the Facebook Lite app. Anything I post is still disadvantaged though, because most people are using the default algorithmic feed.

On Instagram, every one of the first 20 posts I see is original content by a person or page I follow. 16 of those are individual people. I see shared third-party content on Instagram fairly rarely, probably because its UI doesn't encourage that.

What would get me to use Facebook more actively is a change to the algorithm that advantages original content over shared third-party content.

Re: Facebook Research Warned of ‘Tipping Point’ Threat to Core App

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post #55

I can say what has reduced my Facebook use, if anybody in a relevant position at the company is reading. It's the content Facebook shows me. A decade or so ago, most of the content I saw on Facebook was original content from people I know. Most posts were either text written by someone I knew, or a photo taken by someone I knew. Perhaps not everybody shares this position, but what I most want from Facebook is to keep…

Enjoy insta while it lasts. They are having more and more sponsored posts creep into the feed. I don’t expect this trend to reverse. It’s how they make money.

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post #43
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"seniority level" an in "what level have you been promoted to". At Google you don't have to disclose your level, but most people do and most of my coworkers know I'm L5. At Facebook my understanding is they've tried to build a culture where people don't know each other's levels, to focus more on "what can you do" instead of "what does management think you can do".

Then why have different levels at all and just pay more or less? Why hide someone's position/level.. why even have levels? Is this a shield for management.. you shouldn't know Jim is more valuable.. easier to pull the wool over employee eyes?

You have levels to guide HR in making compensation decisions relative to the rest of the market. For example, Google might set their target at 105% of the top range of the market in order to retain the best employees. 105% of a fresh graduate's salary is very different from the same rate for a top-of-field industry recognized veteran. Even in those cases, that's a guide so exceptions are made as merited.

And no, I don't work at Google :)

Re: Facebook Research Warned of ‘Tipping Point’ Threat to Core App

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn’t that just mean it’s Facebook with the negative connotation not secret? Something like ‘Secret Facebook network architecture’ is rather neutral.

“Kellogg’s secret research to make cereal taste better” “Tesla’s secret battery program” Neither has negative connotation to me. Like you said, I think it’s because Facebook regularly acts unethically in public view. Anything they do in secret or private will be viewed with even more suspicion.

I cant explain it, but

> Kellogg’s secret research to make cereal taste better

to me, this sounds negative

> Tesla’s secret battery program

to me this does not sound negative.

Re: Facebook Research Warned of ‘Tipping Point’ Threat to Core App

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post #55

I can say what has reduced my Facebook use, if anybody in a relevant position at the company is reading. It's the content Facebook shows me. A decade or so ago, most of the content I saw on Facebook was original content from people I know. Most posts were either text written by someone I knew, or a photo taken by someone I knew. Perhaps not everybody shares this position, but what I most want from Facebook is to keep…

Enjoy insta while it lasts. They are having more and more sponsored posts creep into the feed. I don’t expect this trend to reverse. It’s how they make money.

I'm not actually a big fan of Instagram. Its format restrictions and mobile-only upload may be contributing to it having more interesting content for the moment, but I'm convinced Facebook could achieve a more interesting feed by changing the algorithm as well.

I don't mind terribly if there are a few sponsored posts in any of my social media feeds. I suspect the acceptable rate is somewhere around one per five original content posts.

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Snapchat is not any better. Given their financials I am sure they are selling my data to anyone who is willing to pay for it.

Source to back that up? From my understanding Snap's entire spiel is user privacy

so when they do these sponsored filters, say the taco bell one? I wonder what metadata they send to taco bell saying hey look all these people used the your filter.. I mean I doubt it's just a number, taco bell would want some uniqueness? If would be nice if snapchat published the metadata fields so users can see what they expose by using sponsor filters n such? This is my basic understanding though I don't know that much abotu snapchat
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