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Facebook Research Warned of ‘Tipping Point’ Threat to Core App

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Re: Facebook Research Warned of ‘Tipping Point’ Threat to Core App

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

0xfaded wrote: post #16
salsadip wrote: post #8

I am happy that we have Snapchat and iMessage as competitors to the Facebook Apps. I very much dislike their business practices of sucking up all the data they can get their hands on e.g. during the acquisition of WhatsApp where they had to promise to European [1] regulators to not combine the user data with facebook‘s and then did it anyway. Also sad that they were so successful in copying Snapchat’s story feature -…

The reliance on facebook where I live now in Denmark is disgusting. I lived in SV for 4 years, and basically any information of importance reached me by word-of-mouth or mailing list. Craigslist is also used and awesome. Worst is that information meant for public dissemination, like training times or open event details, are now de facto private and require login. I've gone from logging in once every 3 months to once…

FB Messenger is the standard messaging service in Denmark, nothing else comes close. At least for everyone I know, it has completely replaced anything else they previously used, and ordinary text messages are seen as old-fashioned and obsolete.

I've tried to get people to use Signal instead, but nobody cares enough to make the switch. "Everyone else is on Messenger, and I have an account already" is the most common reasoning.

Re: Facebook Research Warned of ‘Tipping Point’ Threat to Core App

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Post by intsunny »

KozmoNau7 wrote: post #41
0xfaded wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reliance on facebook where I live now in Denmark is disgusting. I lived in SV for 4 years, and basically any information of importance reached me by word-of-mouth or mailing list. Craigslist is also used and awesome. Worst is that information meant for public dissemination, like training times or open event details, are now de facto private and require login. I've gone from logging in once every 3 months to once…

FB Messenger is the standard messaging service in Denmark, nothing else comes close. At least for everyone I know, it has completely replaced anything else they previously used, and ordinary text messages are seen as old-fashioned and obsolete. I've tried to get people to use Signal instead, but nobody cares enough to make the switch. "Everyone else is on Messenger, and I have an account already" is the most common r…

I think part of the problem here is that the UI/UX of Signal (and Telegram) are just not very good.

Both are off-putting experiences and in turn do little to motivate people to switch to them.

Re: Facebook Research Warned of ‘Tipping Point’ Threat to Core App

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Post by wolco »

jefftk wrote: post #34
paulie_a wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can seniority level be secret?

"seniority level" an in "what level have you been promoted to". At Google you don't have to disclose your level, but most people do and most of my coworkers know I'm L5. At Facebook my understanding is they've tried to build a culture where people don't know each other's levels, to focus more on "what can you do" instead of "what does management think you can do".

Then why have different levels at all and just pay more or less? Why hide someone's position/level.. why even have levels? Is this a shield for management.. you shouldn't know Jim is more valuable.. easier to pull the wool over employee eyes?

Re: Facebook Research Warned of ‘Tipping Point’ Threat to Core App

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Post by dgellow »

intsunny wrote: post #42
KozmoNau7 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FB Messenger is the standard messaging service in Denmark, nothing else comes close. At least for everyone I know, it has completely replaced anything else they previously used, and ordinary text messages are seen as old-fashioned and obsolete. I've tried to get people to use Signal instead, but nobody cares enough to make the switch. "Everyone else is on Messenger, and I have an account already" is the most common r…

I think part of the problem here is that the UI/UX of Signal (and Telegram) are just not very good. Both are off-putting experiences and in turn do little to motivate people to switch to them.

Seriously, Telegram UI/UX isn't good? That's the best user experience I know for a chat application and the main reason why I use it.

Re: Facebook Research Warned of ‘Tipping Point’ Threat to Core App

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Post by dgellow »

nolok wrote: post #17
rubber_duck wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also Telegram (unless I missed the type of apps you're comparing ? I really only use messaging aspect of all of these)

I think he meant app that was a competitor on features but ALSO with a significant user base amongst the non-tech non-domain-specific population. I think Line, WeChat and a few others like that could qualify too, although they all seem very regional.

Telegram reported 200 million active monthly users 1 year ago. It's not at the WhatsApp or Facebook messenger level, for sure, but that's clearly a significant user base.

https://telegram.org/blog/200-million

Re: Facebook Research Warned of ‘Tipping Point’ Threat to Core App

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Post by vikramkr »

Retric wrote: post #39
crikli wrote: post #29

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Context is everything. The things you're talking about are innocuous with no negative loading or reputation. Facebook isn't innocuous and has a high negative load and reputation. Tack the word "secret" in front of some internal research they did and it puts a darker shade on something every company does (internal research).

Doesn’t that just mean it’s Facebook with the negative connotation not secret? Something like ‘Secret Facebook network architecture’ is rather neutral.

I think it's the interplay between both the words, especially considering that Facebook's scandals are privacy related, it might subconsciously trigger some sort of negative reaction when you hear that they are keeping secrets (though that's obviously not what's going on here)

Re: Facebook Research Warned of ‘Tipping Point’ Threat to Core App

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

intsunny wrote: post #42
KozmoNau7 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FB Messenger is the standard messaging service in Denmark, nothing else comes close. At least for everyone I know, it has completely replaced anything else they previously used, and ordinary text messages are seen as old-fashioned and obsolete. I've tried to get people to use Signal instead, but nobody cares enough to make the switch. "Everyone else is on Messenger, and I have an account already" is the most common r…

I think part of the problem here is that the UI/UX of Signal (and Telegram) are just not very good. Both are off-putting experiences and in turn do little to motivate people to switch to them.

I find the UI/UX of Signal to be good enough that I used it as my default messaging app, even though I only have a few contacts who use(d) Signal.

It took until Oreo/Pie for the stock messaging app to become equally good or better, and by then none of my contacts bothered with using Signal anymore. It's now 0% Signal, 0.1% text messages, 0.1% WhatsApp, 99.8% FB Messenger, which is really depressing.

Re: Facebook Research Warned of ‘Tipping Point’ Threat to Core App

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Post by dannyw »

KozmoNau7 wrote: post #47
intsunny wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think part of the problem here is that the UI/UX of Signal (and Telegram) are just not very good. Both are off-putting experiences and in turn do little to motivate people to switch to them.

I find the UI/UX of Signal to be good enough that I used it as my default messaging app, even though I only have a few contacts who use(d) Signal. It took until Oreo/Pie for the stock messaging app to become equally good or better, and by then none of my contacts bothered with using Signal anymore. It's now 0% Signal, 0.1% text messages, 0.1% WhatsApp, 99.8% FB Messenger, which is really depressing.

You can't export chats on Signal iOS, which sucks.

Re: Facebook Research Warned of ‘Tipping Point’ Threat to Core App

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Post by paulie_a »

jefftk wrote: post #34
paulie_a wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can seniority level be secret?

"seniority level" an in "what level have you been promoted to". At Google you don't have to disclose your level, but most people do and most of my coworkers know I'm L5. At Facebook my understanding is they've tried to build a culture where people don't know each other's levels, to focus more on "what can you do" instead of "what does management think you can do".

I greatly doubt that culture actually exists. There is either a formal known hierarchy or an informal one with a lot of backstabbing and power plays. In the latter you may not know who is doing it.

Plus as you said people will disclose it anyways. People know their level and others even if it is a "secret". People know others salaries too. So the entire concept is rendered moot

Re: Facebook Research Warned of ‘Tipping Point’ Threat to Core App

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Post by eeeeeeeeeeeee »

Retric wrote: post #39
crikli wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Context is everything. The things you're talking about are innocuous with no negative loading or reputation. Facebook isn't innocuous and has a high negative load and reputation. Tack the word "secret" in front of some internal research they did and it puts a darker shade on something every company does (internal research).

Doesn’t that just mean it’s Facebook with the negative connotation not secret? Something like ‘Secret Facebook network architecture’ is rather neutral.

“Kellogg’s secret research to make cereal taste better”

“Tesla’s secret battery program”

Neither has negative connotation to me.

Like you said, I think it’s because Facebook regularly acts unethically in public view. Anything they do in secret or private will be viewed with even more suspicion.

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