Why do some many people hate Tesla and want them to fail? Do they also want SpaceX to fail? Elon can be an asshat sometimes, and he oversells and is over-optimistic. But even if the short sellers are right and Tesla will go bankrupt (which, btw, does not equal failure in many ways), why are so many people excited about that? Most tech giants of recent times have done things I would consider to have made the world a m…
Because they are involved in other car companies and they would lose something if Tesla beats the car companies they are involved with. For instance if you are a supplier and have super good relationships with Ford then you don't want Tesla to beat Ford. Who knows if you can have a similarly profitable and trustable relationship at Tesla.
I agree it seems likely that other car companies are against Tesla.
But why are geeks against Tesla? Why is there so much hate for them on Hacker News on Twitter, from tech people working for big tech companies? That's my question.
30 people leaving Tesla with job titles as low as "manager" over the course of a year and a half is almost meaningless without seeing how this stacks up against other tech companies of a similar size.
There's a potential fallicy here. Tesla should be compared to other car companies and not software companies. Because Tesla is building cars.
> Tesla should be compared to other car companies and not software companies. Because Tesla is building cars.
Really? Because the Tesla fanboys consider Tesla a tech company. OTA updates amirite?
Can you provide a source on your comments about Soros? I've seen this mentioned a few times over the years but I had also heard that it was taken out of context or that he had misspoken and later retracted. Would like to see the primary source if you have it
Snopes has a great write up on it that points to primary sources, including a “60 Minutes” interview. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/george-soros-ss-nazi-germa... The tl;dr is that such accusations are weird, false, propaganda about Soros.
The TLDR version is there are many legitimate criticisms of Soros, but anyone using his wartime experiences as a kid forced to conceal his identity to avoid the holocaust to invoke "rapacious Jewish financier" tropes is exactly the sort of human excrement that would have cheerfully joined the SS themselves...
Personally I dislike Tesla because I think Autopilot causes preventable deaths.
If we arrive at a working solution faster (i.e. something that prevents more deaths than it causes), it makes sense to speed up its development to get to that state faster. The question remains if we accept a death by software bug (i.e. human software developer error) in the same way we accept a death by human driving error.
> The question remains if we accept a death by software bug (i.e. human software developer error) in the same way we accept a death by human driving error.
The closest thing Hacker News has to consensus is "certainly not if it's Boeing, probably not if it's Uber but definitely if it's Tesla..."
That's a list of all fatalities involving Teslas reported in the media, including ones caused by human Tesla drivers or the drivers of other vehicles involved in the collision, and speculation trying to associate that with a number of miles driven. Then they have "miles per death" numbers in the 150M-240M range, but the US average is less than 100M per death (typically stated as the inverse, deaths per 100M miles[1])…
The thing about comparisons is you need to compare like to like as much as possible. Demographics are an essential part of actuarial statistics. I think the best comparison is between Tesla and luxury vehicles, and here is an article showing Teslas are much more dangerous: https://medium.com/@MidwesternHedgi/teslas-driver-fatality-r... I'm not sure if you noticed (I didn't the first time I saw that document), but the…
the author is a tesla short and proud of it . Now the matter of data he sites its his blog which has no published paper or peer review. He quotes IIHS stats but says that they dont have enough data on Tesla ?? and he extrapolates tesla accident rates with correlation with news articles ?? and claims all death rates are not reported cause there may be data entry issues not realizing that it goes both ways?? . Being Short on tesla is different than being short on reality , the apples to apples comparison should be made with driver assist features . If its a matter of structural safety i believe that there should be no doubt that tesla make the safest cars by any standard euro NCAP / us NTHS .
Why do some many people hate Tesla and want them to fail? Do they also want SpaceX to fail? Elon can be an asshat sometimes, and he oversells and is over-optimistic. But even if the short sellers are right and Tesla will go bankrupt (which, btw, does not equal failure in many ways), why are so many people excited about that? Most tech giants of recent times have done things I would consider to have made the world a m…
For me it's because they do damage their workers' rights and their fans are so insufferable: The denial that they have quality issues, the repeated lies ("we are going to build a factory in weeks", while everyone knows that it will take years), the massive overvaluation. It's either you are on team Tesla and celebrating every of Elon's brainfarts or you are "big oil" that is trying to destroy them: Just look what hap…
To be honest it really disturbs why people hate Tesla so much. Citing your reason for them being over-optimistic or over-promising, how else do people change the world? I don't mean this message as an attack but something to think about. These guys are working on something No one has EVER done in the history of mankind and we require them to stick to timetables and if they don't the punishment is we wish them failure and celebrate it? If Tesla is to succeed all our lives will be better for it, why are their mistakes and obstacles celebrated? Why do we care if the company is overvalued? This is the same sentiment towards Apple when the iPhone first came out till it no longer could be ignored. Tesla is far from a perfect company, but their mission is true and the real question we should be asking ourselves rather than if we like Elon, or if the company is overvalued or if they over promise and under deliver. the real question is, Is this company really trying to fulfill its mission statement, If yes, would we want such a mission to succeed?
30 people leaving Tesla with job titles as low as "manager" over the course of a year and a half is almost meaningless without seeing how this stacks up against other tech companies of a similar size.
There's a potential fallicy here. Tesla should be compared to other car companies and not software companies. Because Tesla is building cars.
really though how many car companies have OTA updates
> His departure is the latest in a long string of high-profile executives to leave Tesla in the past year, most recently Steve McManus, a vice president in charge of engineering for car interiors and exteriors at Tesla, who joined Apple. Two other former Tesla executives, Michael Schwekutsch, and chief engineer Doug Field, have also left to join Apple. Not to understate the significance of Tesla losing Straubel, but…
Since January 2018: Jason Mendez, director of manufacturing engineering Will McColl, manager of equipment engineering Jon McNeill, president of global sales and services Eric Branderiz, chief accounting officer Susan Repo, corporate treasurer and vice president of finance Jim Keller, head of Autopilot hardware engineering Georg Ell, director of Western Europe operations Matthew Schwall, director of field performance…
still they made thier deliveries on time , so how important were they really ??
Because they are involved in other car companies and they would lose something if Tesla beats the car companies they are involved with. For instance if you are a supplier and have super good relationships with Ford then you don't want Tesla to beat Ford. Who knows if you can have a similarly profitable and trustable relationship at Tesla.
I agree it seems likely that other car companies are against Tesla. But why are geeks against Tesla? Why is there so much hate for them on Hacker News on Twitter, from tech people working for big tech companies? That's my question.
Like a rat fleeing a sinking ship. He has been systematically liquidating his holdings and this move was well telegraphed. Here is a question... why would a CTO liquidate the stock and quit a company supposedly on the verge of an economy transforming self driving breakthrough? Because it is a fraudulent claim that full self driving is here or anywhere near for Tesla. Elon Musk has encouraged a lot of engineers and ha…
The sooner the music stops on this monumental fraud the better. While initially starting the race and pushing the development of electric cars forward I’ve got a feeling Tesla’s implosion will end up denting people’s confidence in them.
"monumental fraud" i take issue with that statement , they have best in class motors and battery mgmt unit coupled with awesome infotainment . the bad things are some choices on service model and huge bet on auto-taxi network .Still i dont think i want to drive anything other than a tesla.