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SWATters Target Dozens of Journalists

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May SWAT team guns shouldn't have independent triggers, but require some kind of consensus algorithm across SWAT team members for a pulled trigger to have an effect.

Better get Jepsen to test it. That would be an interesting read.

"Shoot Me Maybe?"

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I'm going to interpret this as charitably as possible: Are you attempting to bring attention to the fact that doxxing is rarely prosecuted, even though it's illegal and there's boatloads of evidence that it is in fact a form of violence? This is the only way I can imagine this question being raised that doesn't assume you're trolling.

No. I am confused by the conviction Twitter and message board people have that pseudonymous people are entitled to the protection of their true identities from strangers, who learn those identities from open sources.

Fair enough. But doxxers should be subject to the same level of prosecution as people who scope out marks for robbery for example. I'm not familiar with laws in that case, but if there is some level of "conspiracy to commit crime" you can get for telling thieves about that mark, then doxxers should be also getting that.

I don't expect strangers to protect information about just how much cash I have in my wallet that they found out by standing behind me in checkout line. But I surely want them nailed if they purposefully broadcast that and a mugger overhears and robs me.

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But that is ... wrong. The US cops have talked about escalating risks for years but US cops haven't faced actual escalating dangers. One can track the actual danger faced by police and it has been declining. The problem is the average citizen gets their information from TV dramas where cops indeed constantly face dangers. headline: "Once again: police work is NOT getting more dangerous" https://www.washingtonpost.com…

From the other side of the pond it looks like the US police dresses up like a military unit with supplies from past wars. SWAT teams that show up in war tanks. I haven't seen many cop series lately but my impression is most police actors in hollywood don't dress up like John Rambo in fighting in the jungle.

Because they are:

https://www.journal-news.com/news/local/local-police-boost-a...

https://www.springfieldnewssun.com/news/crime--law/police-ex...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/15/local-...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/09/police...

In part, this is driven by programs (as mentioned in the USA today article) where the local police forces can get the equipment itself at no cost (they only pay the maintenance, cost of shipping the equipment, and cost of storing the equipment, or any other local accommodations; all of which are a bargain compared to its actual cost)

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I know some people who are on a similar list run by the far right in the UK. edited for grammar all happy now.

Also, a list in the US created to target the right/extremists: https://www.elon.edu/E-Net/Article/166381

Where's the targeting part? Megan Squire is not int eh habit of SWATting people, nor has anyone promoted using her research as such.

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The US has a developing extremist problem, period. Having two sides with radicals willing to continuously ramp up the levels of violence, outrage, and intimidation is a recipe for bad things to happen. Another example, more recent than the period between world wars: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Years_of_Lead_(Italy) In The Power of Nightmares, Adam Curtis talks about how opposing sides exploit the mutual vicious cyc…

Only one fringe makes a practice of carrying out mass shootings.

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And a left wing extremist problem, given the recent Antifa beating of journalist Andy Ngo and, fortunately unsuccessful, attempt by Antifa to ignite a large propane tank next to a migrant center.

I'd review that Andy Ngo story carefully if I were you, and make sure you have all the relevant context. He's a detailed, well-sourced article on the topic. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/josephbernstein/andy-ng...

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> I understand police in the US has to adapt to the assumption that everyone has a gun That might be a big part of the 'root cause' of this issue.

Doubtful. The United States has had a high level of gun ownership for several hundred years. The police response of "respond to anonymous tip by kicking down the door and opening fire" seems to be a mostly post-9/11 thing. I suspect that the root causes are multifold: (1) No-knock warrants became legal in 1995 to prevent the "destruction of evidence" during drug busts. (2) Americans got really paranoid after 9/11, an…

High powered semi-automatic long and hand guns with high capacity magazines loaded with hollow-point or armor piercing rounds have not been common in the US for several hundred years.

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Right wing extremists have killed more people in the last ten years than any other political group.

This is true, though for awhile in the past few years, the Far Left was catching up, though the Far Right surged ahead in this year. However, in terms of numbers of events of violence, intimidation, and minor assault, the Far Left has been quite busy. The left leaning media just shows an extreme bias in discussing these events. All of that stuff is bad, and bad for us.

This is true, though for awhile in the past few years, the Far Left was catching up

That's not a truthful statement, or even close.

Re: SWATters Target Dozens of Journalists

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post #48

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How about a phone system that does not allow random people to spoof numbers with little to no effort. That would be a nice start. Would also curb all those friggin spam calls I get from random numbers.

Anonymous phone calls have positive uses too, it would be nice to not install more surveillance infrastructure and have less trigger-happy police instead. In other countries cops ring the door and ask if everything is ok after they have received a call.

If you want anonymity, you should use an unauthenticated system. Telephones should have authentication.

Surveillance is orthogonal to the use of authentication, although is a natural consequence of needing to keep tracking of billing records.

Re: SWATters Target Dozens of Journalists

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Might take a lot of lawsuits to get them to verify info before acting on it.

Caller: “hi 911, I’m being held hostage by an armed and violent individual at this address, this is the only opportunity I’ve had to use a phone” 911 call taker: “Thanks for your report. We’ll work on verifying this and might be able to get out there in 2-3 weeks.”

You just described the plot of Die Hard.
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