Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone • Hacker News Board

Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by gumby » Wed, Jul 24, 2019, 4:59 PM UTC

ghostbrainalpha wrote: post #174

OrangeMango wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you use your home computer to RDP into your work computer, what would be the correct answer to the question? The "work" occurs on the company-owned computer, but you are typing on the keyboard of your personally-owned computer.

That's a good question. But as long as you don't save any files on your personal computer, it is just a transport device like a car that gets you to work. I'm guessing the law isn't that forward thinking though. Maybe I should keep a <$200 mini-PC, just to RDP into work so I have no problem giving up that machine.

Clever. A modern day "dumb terminal"

Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by dhruvmittal » Wed, Jul 24, 2019, 5:02 PM UTC

zippergz wrote: post #164

lugg wrote: post #107

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Slack, on my phone? Are you nuts? If you want me after hours you call. Thats the only option you have.

Are you, with a straight face, saying that you'd rather receive a PHONE CALL than a notification from an app that you can set time-sensitive notification methods for (i.e. DND overnight, etc.)? I'm not fan of getting any kind of work message outside of working hours, but I'd FAR rather let my co-workers send me a slack message that I can ignore and/or deal with when I feel like it than call me on the phone. No one at…

You're not wrong, but there's also the filter of "is this a real emergency or could this be an email he'll see tomorrow morning?" that goes through the coworker's head when his options are call vs. email. And, at least in my position, if it is a real emergency I'd like to know.

That said, other than a handful of coworkers who I'm friends with outside of work, only my manager & HR have my personal number. This adds an extra step where the coworker should determine if getting in touch with me immediately is actually worth the effort.

So far, I've received one such phone call in 3 years. It was an actual emergency, and easily resolved by me at that time because they called me. If they had waited until the next working day, the issue would have blown up and taken much more effort for me to resolve.

This might alternatively be an argument for working with people who respect your time.

Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by lixtra » Wed, Jul 24, 2019, 5:09 PM UTC

One option is to use Blackberry Work[1] which gives your it department just control over an encrypted container, not the whole phone.

[1] https://www.blackberry.com/us/en/forms/campaigns/q2_19/byo

Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by JoshTriplett » Wed, Jul 24, 2019, 5:11 PM UTC

ghostbrainalpha wrote: post #174

OrangeMango wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you use your home computer to RDP into your work computer, what would be the correct answer to the question? The "work" occurs on the company-owned computer, but you are typing on the keyboard of your personally-owned computer.

That's a good question. But as long as you don't save any files on your personal computer, it is just a transport device like a car that gets you to work. I'm guessing the law isn't that forward thinking though. Maybe I should keep a <$200 mini-PC, just to RDP into work so I have no problem giving up that machine.

> Maybe I should keep a Doesn't help you. Either your personal devices are in scope or not. If they are, then they all disappear and you're unlikely to get them back.

Investigators don't trust the subjects of the investigation to tell them what devices are in scope or not. If your devices are in scope, they'll take everything that has any chance of having data on it.

(Source: many many reports from subjects of such investigations.)

Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by tolstoshev » Wed, Jul 24, 2019, 5:12 PM UTC

OrangeMango wrote: post #161

kemiller2002 wrote: post #102

Funny story (well OK, not so funny), I worked at a company where the FBI decided to pay a visit and investigate some potential naughtiness performed by members of the senior staff. They asked questions such as "Do you use your cell phone and personal email for company matters." Guess what a lot of them said, "Yep, have to." That immediately made their personal equipment, etc. in scope for the investigation and they c…

If you use your home computer to RDP into your work computer, what would be the correct answer to the question? The "work" occurs on the company-owned computer, but you are typing on the keyboard of your personally-owned computer.

"I plead the fifth" or "I'd like a lawyer" or silence.

Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by Spooky23 » Wed, Jul 24, 2019, 5:18 PM UTC

OrangeMango wrote: post #161

kemiller2002 wrote: post #102

Funny story (well OK, not so funny), I worked at a company where the FBI decided to pay a visit and investigate some potential naughtiness performed by members of the senior staff. They asked questions such as "Do you use your cell phone and personal email for company matters." Guess what a lot of them said, "Yep, have to." That immediately made their personal equipment, etc. in scope for the investigation and they c…

If you use your home computer to RDP into your work computer, what would be the correct answer to the question? The "work" occurs on the company-owned computer, but you are typing on the keyboard of your personally-owned computer.

The details of what you claim to do, are irrelevant -- you can produce work product on the personal computer (ie. writing down a note in textedit, etc)

Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by marssaxman » Wed, Jul 24, 2019, 5:20 PM UTC

Well, yeah. Was this not obvious? Are people actually doing this?

If an employer wants me to be reachable by phone they can give me a work phone. Why would I voluntarily turn my personal phone into a work phone?

Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by cbhl » Wed, Jul 24, 2019, 5:25 PM UTC

chipperyman573 wrote: post #178

stilley2 wrote: post #82

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I recently got a new job where the email is completely locked down (only accessible on a networked computer or via the awful outlook web interface). It's been awesome not getting work emails on my phone.

Why can you only access from a networked computer or OWA? Is the desktop outlook client more privileged than OWA? (I've never used either extensively)

Presumably the IMAP or Exchange server is only exposed to the LAN. (It's non-trivial to configure these properly to be exposed to the internet...)

Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by lunchables » Wed, Jul 24, 2019, 5:25 PM UTC

RKearney wrote: post #129

drunken-serval wrote: post #65

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MDM gets applied if you want to access your exchange server with the default iOS apps because those apps don't have remote management built in. If you use the Microsoft apps, you don't need to have an MDM applied because those apps handle the remote management functionality themselves.

No it does not (source: iOS device user and Exchange admin). Adding an Exchange account to an iOS device optionally allows the Exchange client to enforce password and screen lock requirements, encryption, and allow for remote device wiping. It does not have any access to device location, data, photos, contacts, or anything else you can think of outside of device passcode, encryption, and remote wiping. An MDM profile…

This guy MDMs (and is 100% correct).

Source: We provide employee's with iOS devices and use VMWare Workspace ONE (formerly AirWatch) along with their Secure E-Mail Gateway and also use Apple's Device Enrollment Program. This provides for as complete control over the device as you can get.

Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by glvn » Wed, Jul 24, 2019, 5:26 PM UTC

kpwags wrote: post #21

This is certainly a very good reason to not put your work account on your personal phone, but my primary reason not to is that it's my device and I pay for the service. If my company needs me to be available beyond my 9-5 workday, they can pay for it. If there's an emergency, they can always call, but I don't like being "always on".

The counter to this is that oftentimes I'm at work and not at my computer so I need access to my email/calendar on a mobile device. This doesn't happen often enough for me to warrant a work phone but happens often enought to where it would be a pain to always go back to my computer to pull that up.

My solution so far has been to just use the outlook web app. Sure it's not as nice as the app but it lets me get to the info I need while also preventing me from having to install any sort of profiles on my device, as an added bonus I do not allow the site to send me notifications so I do not have to worry about being bothered off-hours.