> The best we can do is to recover from a failure and maybe somehow retry what we were doing, but we can’t magically “go back” to where we were, and do something different. But with algebraic effects, we can. This is literally Common Lisp's condition system which a) decouples signaling conditions from handling conditions, b) allows you to execute arbitrary code in the place that signals, c) allows you to stack indepe…
Algebraic Effects for the Rest of Us
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Re: Algebraic Effects for the Rest of Us
#22> The best we can do is to recover from a failure and maybe somehow retry what we were doing, but we can’t magically “go back” to where we were, and do something different. But with algebraic effects, we can. This is literally Common Lisp's condition system which a) decouples signaling conditions from handling conditions, b) allows you to execute arbitrary code in the place that signals, c) allows you to stack indepe…
The more interesting thing is not the wheel (aka the technology) itself, but how to make actual use of it...
Re: Algebraic Effects for the Rest of Us
#23> The best we can do is to recover from a failure and maybe somehow retry what we were doing, but we can’t magically “go back” to where we were, and do something different. But with algebraic effects, we can. This is literally Common Lisp's condition system which a) decouples signaling conditions from handling conditions, b) allows you to execute arbitrary code in the place that signals, c) allows you to stack indepe…
Usually, "for the rest of us" signals that the author is trying to introduce an existing concept to a group that did not use it.
It just doesn't seem practical at all.
Re: Algebraic Effects for the Rest of Us
#24> Because algebraic effects are coming from statically typed languages, much of the debate about them centers on the ways they can be expressed in types. This is no doubt important but can also make it challenging to grasp the concept. That’s why this article doesn’t talk about types at all.
I'm only remotely familiar with algebraic effects, but I thought the whole point was to have a nice & composable way of dealing with effects in the type system, as an alternative to monads that generally do not mix well.
Also, Daan Leijen's papers on Koka are pretty accessible.
Re: Algebraic Effects for the Rest of Us
#25Also, on another note, it's not really true that "things in the middle don’t need to concern themselves with error handling". That's what exception-safety is about. You very much do need to concern yourself with exception handling if you want to allow the possibility of a caller handling a callee's exception. Also see [2].
[1] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/debug/excepti...
[2] https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20120910-00/?p=66...
Re: Algebraic Effects for the Rest of Us
#26The author ought to look into and write about the Common Lisp condition system, which allows error handlers to invoke restarts at different parts of the call stack. [1] The long-story-short on them is that they decouple the treatment of exceptional situations (or conditions ) into three orthogonal roles: signaling the condition (akin to “throwing”), handling the condition (akin to “catching”), and recovering from the…
Smalltalk also had resumable exceptions, and I remember implementing then in ruby too, with callcc, but I think algebraic effects are more general and by focusing on exceptions the author has sort of hidden that, even if he kept saying it's just an example.
As a simple example, you can imagine data processing function for use in potentially interactive application, that reports progress and allows for aborting:
(define-condition progress ()
((amount :initarg :amount :reader amount)))
(defun process-partial-data (data)
"NOOP placeholder"
(declare (ignore data)))
(defun process-data (data)
(restart-case
(loop
initially
(signal 'progress :amount 0)
with total = (length data)
for datum in data
for i below total
do
(process-partial-data datum)
(signal 'progress :amount (/ i total))
;; Report progress
finally
(signal 'progress :amount 1)
(return :done))
(abort-work ()
(format *trace-output* "Aborting work!")
:failed)))
The "business meat" of our function is the loop form. You'll notice it reports its progress by signalling a 'progress condition, which, without installed handlers, is essentially a no-op (unlike throwing an exception). The "meat" is wrapped in restart-case form, in order to provide an alternative flow called 'abort-work (you can provide more than one named flow).Now for the REPL sessions (-> denotes returned value). First, regular use:
CL-USER> (process-data '(1 2 3 4 5 6))
-> :DONE
Let's simulate a GUI progress bar, by actually listening to the 'progress condition: CL-USER> (handler-bind ((progress (lambda (p) (format *trace-output* "~&Progress: ~F~%" (amount p)))))
(process-data '(1 2 3 4 5 6)))
Progress: 0.0
Progress: 0.0
Progress: 0.16666667
Progress: 0.33333334
Progress: 0.5
Progress: 0.6666667
Progress: 0.8333333
Progress: 1.0
-> :DONE
A progress bar in a GUI usually has a "cancel" button. Let's simulate it by assuming that user clicked "cancel" around the 50% progress mark, through invoking the 'abort-work restart programmatically: CL-USER> (handler-bind ((progress (lambda (p) (format *trace-output* "~&Progress: ~F~%" (amount p))
(when (>= (amount p) 0.5)
(invoke-restart 'abort-work)))))
(process-data '(1 2 3 4 5 6)))
Progress: 0.0
Progress: 0.0
Progress: 0.16666667
Progress: 0.33333334
Progress: 0.5
Aborting work!
:FAILED
You'll note that function code is entirely transparent for how the progress reporting and abort decision work; it's callee-level handlers that are concerned with it. It works in console, it can work with Lisp's interactive debugger, and it could work with a GUI just as well. Hell, it could work with network requests (and I've seen similar code for writing handler response code for multiple protocols, letting you deliver partial results where supported, and transparently buffering them where it isn't.)N.b. your typical experience with restarts in Common Lisp is the interactive debugger that pops up when an error gets unhandled. This example serves as a reminder that restarts are not just for errors, and that you can invoke them programmatically - building applications that can figure out how to handle their own errors.
Re: Algebraic Effects for the Rest of Us
#27Is it safe to say this is basically a more practical version of EXCEPTION_CONTINUE_EXECUTION? [1] Also, on another note, it's not really true that "things in the middle don’t need to concern themselves with error handling". That's what exception-safety is about. You very much do need to concern yourself with exception handling if you want to allow the possibility of a caller handling a callee's exception. Also see [2…
Re: Algebraic Effects for the Rest of Us
#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
Usually, "for the rest of us" signals that the author is trying to introduce an existing concept to a group that did not use it.
It's a condition system, not "algebraic effects". Googling for "condition system" shows you exactly how it already works in an existing language with living implementations that are updated daily and released monthly, not in some hypothetical JavaScript dialects the author mentions. It just doesn't seem practical at all.
However, neither the linked paper nor the author of this article seem aware of Lisp's prior art in this space, which is a shame. In particular, it's not true that you "can't touch this" - you absolutely can touch a production-ready implementation of this, in Common Lisp, and could for the past 30 years.
Re: Algebraic Effects for the Rest of Us
#29https://pypi.org/project/effect/ (Effect library)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fM5d_2BS6FY (talk from PyConNZ 2015).
(Shameless plug: this is one of the libraries listed in https://github.com/sfermigier/awesome-functional-python ).
Re: Algebraic Effects for the Rest of Us
#30> The best we can do is to recover from a failure and maybe somehow retry what we were doing, but we can’t magically “go back” to where we were, and do something different. But with algebraic effects, we can. This is literally Common Lisp's condition system which a) decouples signaling conditions from handling conditions, b) allows you to execute arbitrary code in the place that signals, c) allows you to stack indepe…