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Re: Want to hire the best programmers? Offer growth

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Post by xchaotic »

rubber_duck wrote: post #92
farisjarrah wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is some cognitive dissonance that I can't seem to get over while reading your comment. While your statement is technically true, I just don't see it being true in the real world. Any time I have gotten a job that has paid better, it also came with more challenges and more difficulty and invariably more of a time investment(even if that means studying outside of work). Maybe I am just taking the wrong jobs...

Funny thing I found out about this recently - my country has a tax model where very small businesses (defined by revenue So this forced me to settle for a number at which I'm happy with my income and I can have a clear goal for that year - once that is achieved other things come in to play. This seems basic and maybe it's just me but I never really had an idea of what I wanted to make, what is "enough" - I would just…

Even with paying the accountant and even if the higher bracket was 90% you’d still be making more by earning more. It’s hard to agree with your line of thinking but I have seen this often that people are willing to sacrifice quite a lot of money for “security” and “peace of mind”. In practice you’d have more peace of mind with more money in the bank.

Re: Want to hire the best programmers? Offer growth

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Post by Consultant32452 »

mikekchar wrote: post #294
mjevans wrote: post #277

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Where (else) should someone(they) have gone to get an entry-level job that starts them on the desired career path? That's a question that I don't think has been explored.

As someone said in a sibling thread, QA has traditionally been a bad place to start your career as a developer. I saw it happen frequently in my career -- you get into QA and you are treated like a monkey (flashback of a QA manager teaching me about my terrible attitude...) It's nothing to do with gender. You can get out of QA if you are lucky, but it's pretty unusual. Even if you do, traditionally you would have had…

I've been at several companies where the first teams that were outsourced were the QA teams. That tells you everything you need to know about how companies view QA.

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Post by v-erne »

wysifnwyg wrote: post #11
RNeff wrote: post #6

Offer a quiet, private office. Two or more monitors. Free snacks and free lunches. Modern software stack (whatever that is). Or full-time remote.

I'd be overjoyed for even a single remote day a week. Give me the four day at-work week.

I'm guessing that You dont have kids :) I would say the same few years ago, but having young children now causes that I have nowhere to work at home that is relatively peacefull and quiet.

Re: Want to hire the best programmers? Offer growth

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Post by fergie »

xtracto wrote: post #154
chrissnell wrote: post #125

It's a little peculiar how this blog post really pushes the inclusiveness angle despite the numbers showing clearly that it is not a big priority for prospective employees. They even go as far as highlighting that the sampled women want inclusiveness 171% more than the sampled men, which sounds pretty strong, but hides the real story when you look at the _actual numbers_. Only 15% of women ranked inclusion as a top p…

It is because it is SEO spam. TripleByte regularly posts these here in HackerNews to promote their hiring platform. People seem to like it nonetheless

"content marketing"

Re: Want to hire the best programmers? Offer growth

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Post by Consultant32452 »

avgDev wrote: post #170
aczerepinski wrote: post #88

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I’m 80-90% remote, and it’s such a huge lifestyle perk that I’d need at least a 50% pay bump to even consider anything in the city. I hope this becomes more and more the norm for tech jobs because everyone deserves ample time with their family and friends. For me now the baseline is remote + good work life balance and vacation package. If we can throw exciting tech, more money, etc on top of that, great.

I can't imagine not having any remote days in the week. Unfortunately, many enterprise jobs in my area expect people in their seat 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. I'm hoping to polish my skills and eventually find something 100% remote even if its less thank $100k. I want to buy a lake front house, and get on a jetski/boat during my lunch break.

I'm 100% remote working full time for a household name financial company. I'm making $150k, plus 6 weeks vacation, 401k match, etc. I'm in process negotiating a consulting gig that will pay a little over $300k that is also 100% remote. That one is a corp to corp contract, not an employee position.

Hang in there, you'll find your spot. My advice would be to make friends with a few recruiters for the big headhunting firms. With a little patience for terrible signal to noise ratio they should help you break the $100k mark for remote work. Sometimes you gotta shop around for the right recruiters. The first person you talk to is probably not the person with the right contacts.

Re: Want to hire the best programmers? Offer growth

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Post by kevinyun »

xtracto wrote: post #154
chrissnell wrote: post #125

It's a little peculiar how this blog post really pushes the inclusiveness angle despite the numbers showing clearly that it is not a big priority for prospective employees. They even go as far as highlighting that the sampled women want inclusiveness 171% more than the sampled men, which sounds pretty strong, but hides the real story when you look at the _actual numbers_. Only 15% of women ranked inclusion as a top p…

It is because it is SEO spam. TripleByte regularly posts these here in HackerNews to promote their hiring platform. People seem to like it nonetheless

If a tree falls in the woods because a ex-YC partner chopped it down, it makes a sound that everyone else can hear

Re: Want to hire the best programmers? Offer growth

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Post by mikekchar »

mikekchar wrote: post #284
jshowa3 wrote: post #209

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That isn't necessarily true. There's a difference between respect and benefits/culture. Some would say that Google, in all its free lunch glory, doesn't respect its employees that well consider they've had employees go on strike due to their policies.

I think a better example of this is Netflix. They make it a stated goal to pay you more than what you will be able to make anywhere else. They also are pretty straightforward about wanting a return for that pay :-) They'll milk you for all you're worth and if you aren't 100% anymore, they will replace you. They are completely above board and honest with their approach, so I think it's fair ;-) Not saying that isn't a…

Darn... I can't edit this any more. I'm bemused by the downvotes because usually when I get downvotes it's because I'm wrong :-) I believe this is the post where they explain how they do things: https://hbr.org/2014/01/how-netflix-reinvented-hr

I'd be very interested to know if this has changed.

Re: Want to hire the best programmers? Offer growth

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Post by thedufer »

meowface wrote: post #219
dillonmckay wrote: post #42

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I am willing to forgo #2 if #1 is high enough.

I'm the opposite. If my living and food expenses are covered, I'll prefer full autonomy over no or minimal autonomy. You can only spend so many years doing things you're asked to do which you don't really want to do before the value added by the extra money is outweighed by the value lost from life in general becoming more depressing and less inspiring.

You can turn extra money pretty directly into time with actual autonomy (i.e. not working) pretty easily, though.

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Post by ghaff »

sgift wrote: post #333
ramblerman wrote: post #332

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Top rank is a random dice roll but the things that were voted by less people are less so? I’m not sure what argument you are making.

The point is that it's usually pretty easy to say "here, I give you 15 categories, tell me 3 which are important to you" while "find the one most important" is not. The order between top picks is mostly arbitrary.

Furthermore, are we comparing big differences in a variable (money, opportunity, interesting work, workplace flexibility, etc.) or small differences? It's a lot easier to say these three things are fairly important to me even if the deltas are not huge than it is to say one variable trumps all.

Sure, money is important to most people at some level. But for many, it's important relative to other things in that it can't be dramatically lower at one opportunity vs. another. A bit lower? That's maybe OK if other factors balance it out.

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Post by avip »

xtracto wrote: post #154
chrissnell wrote: post #125

It's a little peculiar how this blog post really pushes the inclusiveness angle despite the numbers showing clearly that it is not a big priority for prospective employees. They even go as far as highlighting that the sampled women want inclusiveness 171% more than the sampled men, which sounds pretty strong, but hides the real story when you look at the _actual numbers_. Only 15% of women ranked inclusion as a top p…

It is because it is SEO spam. TripleByte regularly posts these here in HackerNews to promote their hiring platform. People seem to like it nonetheless

Not in vain they are dubbed TripleSpam
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