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French Minerve submarine is found after disappearing in 1968

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Re: French Minerve submarine is found after disappearing in 1968

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Family. Not necessarily just parents but brothers, cousins, etc.

Well sure. But the comment I was replying to initially said "parents" and left it at that.

"parents" in french means parents, but can also mean relatives.

Re: French Minerve submarine is found after disappearing in 1968

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What’s weird is that year three other submarines also sank with unknown causes. One was the USS Scorpion which was also found. Another was the Israeli submarine also found much later. Last one is the K-129 of Soviet Union.

> sank with unknown causes.

do you really think military intelligence would always release information in these cases?

money down, 9/10 times in cases like these someone protecting a source or hiding some knowledge for sigint/opsec/? purposes

Re: French Minerve submarine is found after disappearing in 1968

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What’s weird is that year three other submarines also sank with unknown causes. One was the USS Scorpion which was also found. Another was the Israeli submarine also found much later. Last one is the K-129 of Soviet Union.

Although the causes of the Scorpion and K-129 losses are not known with certainty there is evidence that both were lost to battery explosions. Bruce Rule has a lot of interesting data on this

http://www.iusscaa.org/articles/brucerule/

As another person upthread noted, though, it is difficult to ever know with certainty not only due to the technical limitations but also due to the opsec limitations.

Re: French Minerve submarine is found after disappearing in 1968

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post #14

What’s weird is that year three other submarines also sank with unknown causes. One was the USS Scorpion which was also found. Another was the Israeli submarine also found much later. Last one is the K-129 of Soviet Union.

> sank with unknown causes. do you really think military intelligence would always release information in these cases? money down, 9/10 times in cases like these someone protecting a source or hiding some knowledge for sigint/opsec/? purposes

Both submarines lost in the mediterranean sea could have been caused by seaquakes i read earlier today. Still a strange timing for sure.

Re: French Minerve submarine is found after disappearing in 1968

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post #14

What’s weird is that year three other submarines also sank with unknown causes. One was the USS Scorpion which was also found. Another was the Israeli submarine also found much later. Last one is the K-129 of Soviet Union.

> sank with unknown causes. do you really think military intelligence would always release information in these cases? money down, 9/10 times in cases like these someone protecting a source or hiding some knowledge for sigint/opsec/? purposes

They aren't going to release everything....but that doesn't mean they know what happened.

Re: French Minerve submarine is found after disappearing in 1968

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What’s weird is that year three other submarines also sank with unknown causes. One was the USS Scorpion which was also found. Another was the Israeli submarine also found much later. Last one is the K-129 of Soviet Union.

Although the causes of the Scorpion and K-129 losses are not known with certainty there is evidence that both were lost to battery explosions. Bruce Rule has a lot of interesting data on this http://www.iusscaa.org/articles/brucerule/ As another person upthread noted, though, it is difficult to ever know with certainty not only due to the technical limitations but also due to the opsec limitations.

My dad worked in the aerospace industry. He mentioned three reasons for not releasing information. Hands down most common reason is because no ones career got derailed because they over classified something. Second most is because it would show some interest in a bad light. Third reason is because fixes to technical problems are often considered to be the military equivalent of trade secrets. AKA we figured out why the Scorpions battery blew up and we're not going to tell the Soviets how to make their submarine batteries safer.
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