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Apple Factory Thefts: Secret Tunnels, Hidden Crawl Spaces

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Re: Apple Factory Thefts: Secret Tunnels, Hidden Crawl Spaces

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When you're ordering in Apple like volumes it has to be very difficult to hide.

And also when the things you're building (presumably) have Apple logos on them.

There are tons of components in Apple's devices and only a few Apple logos. If you get an order for 70 million higher end tiny lenses you can narrow down the list of potential customers pretty quickly, no logos needed.

Re: Apple Factory Thefts: Secret Tunnels, Hidden Crawl Spaces

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Throwaway account to be safe. ———— While I did not deal with Apple specifically, I did however deal with another major mobile phone corporation — at that time — and i’m sure most of you have heard of them: Research In Motion, RIM, BlackBerry, etc. This was during a time, my guess is 2008-2010, when forums, unreleased product leaks, and blogs were a very big business and leaks were lucrative to everybody. As a BlackBe…

> Because a nice fella from the security team at RIM will give you a call on your personal cell phone one late night and tell you that they know what you’re doing and to stop it. I don't know if anyone else has this reaction, but I find this to be a great alternative to the litigiousness that is normally reported. > So I stopped that night. ...and good on you for allowing "not suing" to be a successful option. (I'm t…

Seems a bit in the clouds. The poster knowingly took ownership of stolen property and got a warning over it. Stopping after you're caught doesn't right your wrong.

Re: Apple Factory Thefts: Secret Tunnels, Hidden Crawl Spaces

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> Apple’s suppliers are forbidden from referring to Apple by name or its project code names anywhere in buildings. In which buildings? Surely (at least vendor specific) codenames are necessary for basic communication. I was affected when a partner team was sidelined by an Apple contract. It was a fireable offense to say was Apple or leak it, but you could use internally to indicate that you had mandated commitments a…

I worked at a company that did work for Apple. It was a poorly kept secret that they were a client but even in a 50-person company, I had no idea what exactly that team was working on. We definitely were only working in marketing stuff not product because that was our business. We maybe had early photos of phones at best. They had a huge list of secrecy and security demands many of which applied to people who didn't even work on their stuff. I heard nothing but terrible things about how they treated our team too.

Re: Apple Factory Thefts: Secret Tunnels, Hidden Crawl Spaces

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post #62

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> Because a nice fella from the security team at RIM will give you a call on your personal cell phone one late night and tell you that they know what you’re doing and to stop it. I don't know if anyone else has this reaction, but I find this to be a great alternative to the litigiousness that is normally reported. > So I stopped that night. ...and good on you for allowing "not suing" to be a successful option. (I'm t…

Seems a bit in the clouds. The poster knowingly took ownership of stolen property and got a warning over it. Stopping after you're caught doesn't right your wrong.

> Stopping after you're caught doesn't right your wrong.

Nope! I still remain happy to see that something gets stopped without legal action, and seeing a company that didn't go for the throat succeeding in their defense.

Just because a wrong isn't righted doesn't mean we can't be happy the situation didn't get worse.

Re: Apple Factory Thefts: Secret Tunnels, Hidden Crawl Spaces

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post #15

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Can you further substantiate your comment? I'm sure you have a lot more to say.

It probably has something to do with the Abrahamic religions' version of mind control known by various terms, including sin, guilt, souls, and forgiveness. You could at one time in history convince most Western workers to not steal from their employers by telling them that people who steal from and betray their social superiors will be judged by an all-seeing deity and then immolate forever after they die. In contras…

> employing five different mechanisms for achieving immortality

Are you referring to Hinduism with this line, or is it some other reference?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immortality#Hinduism

Re: Apple Factory Thefts: Secret Tunnels, Hidden Crawl Spaces

#66
post #25

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Wow. That’s a lot more professional looking than I expected it to be.

The men who made it were in fact professional miners and engineers from what I understand.

I can't help wondering about your word "were" (past tense)?

Doing secret work for a ruthless criminal gang must be risky.

Re: Apple Factory Thefts: Secret Tunnels, Hidden Crawl Spaces

#68
post #62

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Seems a bit in the clouds. The poster knowingly took ownership of stolen property and got a warning over it. Stopping after you're caught doesn't right your wrong.

> Stopping after you're caught doesn't right your wrong. Nope! I still remain happy to see that something gets stopped without legal action, and seeing a company that didn't go for the throat succeeding in their defense. Just because a wrong isn't righted doesn't mean we can't be happy the situation didn't get worse.

A refreshing view. So many people seem to emotionally need some sort of social vindication of their injury, or in some other way feel dissatisfied if there isn't third-party shaming/punishment/etc. involved in conflict resolution.

Sometimes, the best approach is "Yo, can you cut that out?"

Re: Apple Factory Thefts: Secret Tunnels, Hidden Crawl Spaces

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post #66

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The men who made it were in fact professional miners and engineers from what I understand.

I can't help wondering about your word "were" (past tense)? Doing secret work for a ruthless criminal gang must be risky.

Were. Still are. But they were, too.

Re: Apple Factory Thefts: Secret Tunnels, Hidden Crawl Spaces

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post #63
post #8

> Apple’s suppliers are forbidden from referring to Apple by name or its project code names anywhere in buildings. In which buildings? Surely (at least vendor specific) codenames are necessary for basic communication. I was affected when a partner team was sidelined by an Apple contract. It was a fireable offense to say was Apple or leak it, but you could use internally to indicate that you had mandated commitments a…

I worked at a company that did work for Apple. It was a poorly kept secret that they were a client but even in a 50-person company, I had no idea what exactly that team was working on. We definitely were only working in marketing stuff not product because that was our business. We maybe had early photos of phones at best. They had a huge list of secrecy and security demands many of which applied to people who didn't…

I worked at a company (since acquired by Deloitte) that had the security room for the original iPad. There were not many setups of this.

I joined about 6 months after release of iPad but a lot of Apple OS X and iOS consulting was done by folks in the company.

From iTunes to the original Apple Store app there were small, sometimes single person, teams assisting Apple writing this software day in and day out.

They barely reported to anyone, and barely discussed their work. Just clocked full-time consulting hours on behalf the company.

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