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‘No girls born’ for past three months in area of India covering 132 villages

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Re: ‘No girls born’ for past three months in area of India covering 132 villages

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That's just mothers exercising their body autonomy rights. Unless it can be shown that they are being forced to abort, I really don't see a problem.

You don't see a problem with aborting because of the "wrong" gender?

I don't know if you got the memo, but equal rights is a pretty Big Thing lately.

I'm pretty sure most mothers would have preferred to keep all their children, and a society without women isn't going very far.

Re: ‘No girls born’ for past three months in area of India covering 132 villages

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post #13

That's just mothers exercising their body autonomy rights. Unless it can be shown that they are being forced to abort, I really don't see a problem.

> Unless it can be shown that they are being forced to abort

This is actually very common in rural parts of India. Families often force the women to abort female children. The reasons are given in the article: In India's patriarchal society, male children are seen as future breadwinners and caregivers who have an obligation to look after their parents when they age.

> I really don't see a problem

A skewed sex ratio has _very_ serious implications for the country, and I say this as an Indian. I don't know enough about this subject to elaborate, but there are many other comments in this thread that you should read.

Re: ‘No girls born’ for past three months in area of India covering 132 villages

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I can only imagine that there are a number of secondary effects of creating a skewed male/female ratio. Simply put, there are not enough women to go around. I suspect this leads to lots of overly fierce competition for women. Women treated more as precious commodities and less as human beings. Men lacking experience dealing with women. A certain percentage of men being unhappy much of the time because finding a mate…

Well I know that in places in China with similar issues the chinese are basically "importing" wives from Cambodia, Vietnam, etc. As for India, I'm not Indian but all of the indian women I've worked with were in arranged marriages or in "matches" that had been made by their parents. Obviously India is a big place but they were all from different areas (two punjabi, one from center-west India, one from Kerala in the south, one from north east). I was told that it's very widespread. I wouldn't know how this translates for men but it seems like it's not like in the west where men or women have to search for their partners themselves; families and match-making sites are a lot more prominent (any Indian around please feel free to correct me).

Re: ‘No girls born’ for past three months in area of India covering 132 villages

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I can only imagine that there are a number of secondary effects of creating a skewed male/female ratio. Simply put, there are not enough women to go around. I suspect this leads to lots of overly fierce competition for women. Women treated more as precious commodities and less as human beings. Men lacking experience dealing with women. A certain percentage of men being unhappy much of the time because finding a mate…

Looking at China, I think it's the opposite actually? By being the rare commodity, you get to dictate terms and be picky with a lot to choose from.

Re: ‘No girls born’ for past three months in area of India covering 132 villages

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Wow! I just released a data story on Indian population with a section on "Case of the missing women"[0]. This has profound effects on a society like India, even 2-3 decades later! [0] https://numbersofindia.github.io/stories/population-06-2019/...

Beautiful.

Re: ‘No girls born’ for past three months in area of India covering 132 villages

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The article doesn't indicate how the villages were sampled. Suppose a village has a birth rate of 8 babies a year (2 babies every 3 months). There's (roughly) a 50% chance the babies will be male and female, 25% chance that they're both female and 25% chance that they're both male. That means that if you're sampling from a district that has 1,000 villages (with the average birth rate of 2 babies / 3 months, roughly t…

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/dehradun/in-3-month... has a bit more info.

You can find the census for Uttarkashi district at https://cdn.s3waas.gov.in/s3ef575e8837d065a1683c022d2077d342...

Page 12 says there are 694 villages and 330,086 people in the district.

Re: ‘No girls born’ for past three months in area of India covering 132 villages

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The phrase "in area of India covering 132 villages" seems to imply that it's a compact region, and if that's the case the suspicion of cherry picking would lose foundation.

It would still be possible to find a compact subregion of a large region where no girls were born. However, the fact that it was 132 villages makes this seem unlikely, unless the large region contained many thousands of villages.

132 villages giving birth to only boys for 3 months straight is probably a 0.001% chance of happening naturally

1,000 births (a random guess) with 50% chance of girl, never happening once?

yikes

Re: ‘No girls born’ for past three months in area of India covering 132 villages

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post #21
post #13

That's just mothers exercising their body autonomy rights. Unless it can be shown that they are being forced to abort, I really don't see a problem.

You don't see a problem with aborting because of the "wrong" gender? I don't know if you got the memo, but equal rights is a pretty Big Thing lately. I'm pretty sure most mothers would have preferred to keep all their children, and a society without women isn't going very far.

No.

Before I get pummeled for that just be honest here. As soon as we state it is okay to abort for personal choice the discussion ends there. Why do we get to call in the woman's choice simply because we don't like the reason.

It will get to be seriously interesting if DNA testing comes common place and women or couples decide to abort for reasons from sex, skin color, and if ever proven genetic orientation.

You cannot have it both ways. Either the woman is in control of her reproductive process or she is not. There is no, but....

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