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Study: Immigrants and their kids founded 45% of U.S. Fortune 500 companies

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Re: Study: Immigrants and their kids founded 45% of U.S. Fortune 500 companies

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

cronix wrote: post #74
testvox wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He may have acquired his grit through other means, in his words: > By the time I was twenty, I had lived through a Hungarian Fascist dictatorship, German military occupation, the Nazis' "Final Solution," the siege of Budapest by the Soviet Red Army, a period of chaotic democracy in the years immediately after the war, a variety of repressive Communist regimes, and a popular uprising that was put down at gunpoint... […

I'd be really curious about his viewpoints on the current US political landscape, considering he experienced real, actual fascism and not the label everyone throws around willy-nilly trying to tar and feather each other. Personally, whenever I hear the terms racist or fascist thrown around, racism and fascism never actually enter my mind, or at least extremely rarely. I just think "Oh, another person who disagrees wi…

That boy is always crying wolf, said the wolf.

Re: Study: Immigrants and their kids founded 45% of U.S. Fortune 500 companies

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Post by stunt »

it seems many have missed the point, or at least that’s not how I read this.

This is not about if immigrants didn’t found company X, an American could do it (well that’s valid about crimes and drugs too! Right?). It’s also not about if they were first generation or second generation.

I believe the study shows immigrants overall had a positive contribution and big impact. Either by themselves or their family.

And this is a good study for people that only see immigrants as a source of crimes and negative impacts.

Re: Study: Immigrants and their kids founded 45% of U.S. Fortune 500 companies

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Post by pjc50 »

cronix wrote: post #74
testvox wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He may have acquired his grit through other means, in his words: > By the time I was twenty, I had lived through a Hungarian Fascist dictatorship, German military occupation, the Nazis' "Final Solution," the siege of Budapest by the Soviet Red Army, a period of chaotic democracy in the years immediately after the war, a variety of repressive Communist regimes, and a popular uprising that was put down at gunpoint... […

I'd be really curious about his viewpoints on the current US political landscape, considering he experienced real, actual fascism and not the label everyone throws around willy-nilly trying to tar and feather each other. Personally, whenever I hear the terms racist or fascist thrown around, racism and fascism never actually enter my mind, or at least extremely rarely. I just think "Oh, another person who disagrees wi…

That's a little difficult given that he died in 2016. There are not so many people left alive who remember the hard end of WW2-era fascism.

The one I always refer people to, written in 1995 but applicable to any time, is Umberto Eco's "Ur-Fascism". http://www.pegc.us/archive/Articles/eco_ur-fascism.pdf - written from his personal experience as a young boy in fascist Italy at the time of its liberation.

The full essay is long and detailed, and interestingly contrasts Italian fascism with Nazism; Eco's view was that Nazism was a specific philosophy and programme that was capable of clearly delineating what it was about, while fascism was much less intellectually coherent.

> Fascism became an all-purpose term because one can eliminate from a fascist regime one or more features, and it will still be recognizable as fascist. Take away imperialism from fascism and you still have Franco and Salazar. Take away colonialism and you still have the Balkan fascism of the Ustashes. Add to the Italian fascism a radical anti-capitalism (which never much fascinated Mussolini) and you have Ezra Pound. Add a cult of Celtic mythology and the Grail mysticism (completely alien to official fascism) and you have one of the most respected fascist gurus, Julius Evola.

But he ultimately distils it down to fourteen characteristic points. It is up to the reader to apply them to modern movements and see how well the resemblance holds.

(cult of tradition; rejection of modernism; irrationalism; disagreement is treason; appeal against intruders; appeal to middle class; obsession with a plot against the nation; feel humiliated by the ostentatious wealth and force of their enemies; life is permanent warfare; popular elitism; heroism as death cult; machismo; selective populism & anti-parliamentarianism; and "newspeak")

Re: Study: Immigrants and their kids founded 45% of U.S. Fortune 500 companies

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Post by merpnderp »

cronix wrote: post #74
testvox wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He may have acquired his grit through other means, in his words: > By the time I was twenty, I had lived through a Hungarian Fascist dictatorship, German military occupation, the Nazis' "Final Solution," the siege of Budapest by the Soviet Red Army, a period of chaotic democracy in the years immediately after the war, a variety of repressive Communist regimes, and a popular uprising that was put down at gunpoint... […

I'd be really curious about his viewpoints on the current US political landscape, considering he experienced real, actual fascism and not the label everyone throws around willy-nilly trying to tar and feather each other. Personally, whenever I hear the terms racist or fascist thrown around, racism and fascism never actually enter my mind, or at least extremely rarely. I just think "Oh, another person who disagrees wi…

I saw a lot of people called racists because they disagreed with the implementation, if not the goal, of the US ACA health care reform. Now I see nearly every single presidential political candidate dumping on the ACA - whom I assume will shortly be labeled racists by all right thinking people.

Re: Study: Immigrants and their kids founded 45% of U.S. Fortune 500 companies

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Post by TearsInTheRain »

SkyBelow wrote: post #81
close04 wrote: post #22

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But do you suspect the methodology, the results, or the conclusion were "faked" or inaccurate? Or do you consider it an accurate piece but suspect the reasons behind publishing it? ...And suddenly a wave of downvotes in less than 2 minutes. No justified concerns attached to them though.

>But do you suspect the methodology, the results, or the conclusion were "faked" or inaccurate? Selective definitions were used. They weren't hidden for anyone willing to look into the details, but if this was a political move (I'm not saying it was, but if it was) then the people who did it would know full well that the headline would have far more penetration than any statistical critique with how terms were define…

They manipulated the data to generate the appropriate headline knowing 99% of people that come across their article wont look deeper

Re: Study: Immigrants and their kids founded 45% of U.S. Fortune 500 companies

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Post by ilikehurdles »

cronix wrote: post #74
testvox wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He may have acquired his grit through other means, in his words: > By the time I was twenty, I had lived through a Hungarian Fascist dictatorship, German military occupation, the Nazis' "Final Solution," the siege of Budapest by the Soviet Red Army, a period of chaotic democracy in the years immediately after the war, a variety of repressive Communist regimes, and a popular uprising that was put down at gunpoint... […

I'd be really curious about his viewpoints on the current US political landscape, considering he experienced real, actual fascism and not the label everyone throws around willy-nilly trying to tar and feather each other. Personally, whenever I hear the terms racist or fascist thrown around, racism and fascism never actually enter my mind, or at least extremely rarely. I just think "Oh, another person who disagrees wi…

Perhaps those on the receiving end of those labels have an interest in blanket dismissing that criticism as a thrown-around "willy-nilly" wolf-cry.

Re: Study: Immigrants and their kids founded 45% of U.S. Fortune 500 companies

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Post by merpnderp »

toiletfuneral wrote: post #89
cronix wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd be really curious about his viewpoints on the current US political landscape, considering he experienced real, actual fascism and not the label everyone throws around willy-nilly trying to tar and feather each other. Personally, whenever I hear the terms racist or fascist thrown around, racism and fascism never actually enter my mind, or at least extremely rarely. I just think "Oh, another person who disagrees wi…

Because putting a certain race in literal concentration camps isn’t fascism but just different opinions.

People losing their minds over this would sound a lot more sincere and principled if they'd been even half as upset about Obama placing kids in actual cages with a much higher per capita death rate. Now they just sound like ideologues grinding a political axe.

But maybe that's just my differing opinion.

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